edburley wrote:There was only ONE body...it was corruptible, mortal, carnal (fleshly, SARX). It was the body of Moses (Israel). The body of Moses was crucified (Jesus was "in the flesh," "under the law," and the "law was nailed to the cross") and the body of Jesus was resurrected. Jesus physical body was raised on "Easter" morning.
So you're saying that Jesus' resurrected body is/was corruptible? I just want to be clear on that.
His body/bride ("and the two shall become one") was raised after AD70. The imagery and scriptural background for this was found in Ezekiel 37 - the "dry bones." Ezekiel (the son of Man...sound familiar?) speaks to the dry bones and they LIVE. Jesus, the son of Man, spoke to the dry bones of Israel ("and they shall hear my voice and they shall come forth from their graves...") and "ALL Israel was saved."
All this seems to go along with your preterist interpretation of scripture but it is eisegesis (whether right or wrong) and (to my knowledge) there is no scripture which says "All Israel was saved" Paul wrote Romans before 70AD but that is no reason to assume he was referring to 70AD or that he was not talking about Israel (the plain reading of the text).
You claim that it is the "plain reading of scripture" that tells you that Jesus got an incorruptible body on the day of his resurrection. Where? You give me the verse.
I actual said "the Second Adam" and I think it is relevant that you have omitted this point. Jesus was the firstfruit, the firstborn and he demonstrated (as the second Adam) what humankind's future would entail - the acquisition of an incorruptible body upon resurrection.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Incorruption is bestowed upon rising from the dead ie resurrection.
MY plain reading of scripture doesn't involve God having to hide anything from anyone, which isn't mentioned.
That's no more true than my own interpretation. There are countless things we believe which require interpretation. Anyone who cannot acknowledge this sets himself up for a big fall. We rely on the Spirit to enliven the text and to guide us.
then Re: the sojourners to Emmaus. Their eyes were opened after taking breaking bread with Jesus but their reaction was not "holy cow, did you see how his whole body glowed and blinded us!"
You seem to interpret 'glorified' as 'glowing' (perhaps you can give a text for that belief as you seem to suggest all your beliefs are founded on texts?
Nope, it was "didn't we feel our hearts burn inside us when he spoke to us..." There is just no "plain reading of scripture" that describes what you want it to.
To what are you referring? What do I want? You seem to think I want Jesus to glow?
As I pointed out, in the Revelation, it would appear that Jesus had a glorified body (or some such) based on "the plain reading of scripture" when John was describing the vision of Jesus.
"It would appear"?? Do you not have a text to say when Jesus was glorified?
How about these:
Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Re: my belief about how we get our "heavenly" or "celestial" bodies is pure conjecture and I've stated that...
Well, we can agree on that.
Obviously, you interpret scriptures along a preterist view point and I do not.
To go back to the OP, I have no doubt (and I could ask any of my friends who lecture in English on this one), that the plain reading of how the angels declared Jesus would return is as several have already stated in this thread.
To interpret the text in a different manner requires quite a contortion but is understandable if one is already fixed to a preterist 'Kingdom-now' belief system.
I cannot see that further dialogue will be fruitful as we are in danger of repetition and I am confident that neither of us will be swayed by the other's point of view so I will bow out and bid you good-day my fellow traveler and brother in Christ.
God bless you.