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Postby St. Michael » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:50 am

My value isn't inherent. Only God is intrinsically glorious. Satan wanted to exalt himself and be like God in this respect. It leads to ego and ego is edging God out. As C.S. Lewis has stated:

"The moment you have self at all, there is the possibility of putting yourself first - wanting to be the center- wanting to be God in fact. That was the sin of Satan: and that was the sin he taught the human race".

In death to self you come into union with Christ. Ego is crucified and deflated. Christ chooses those who the world despises. He chooses the sick, the weak. The ones who need Him. Those who are broken. He came for the sick. Those who admit their need for Him. The powerless. The outsiders.


It Must Be Fate

I know that our union is surely fate
Predestined to be Your soul mate
For I am complete in union with You
A love so pure and a love so true
Forever in this holy love Divine
Your heart beats lovely with mine
Bringing me joy from love's holy fire
You satisfy my heart's longing desire


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Re: Predestined

Postby Paidion » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:02 pm

Tell me, St. Michael. Do you have no self at all?
I say that EVERYONE has "self"— or more accurately IS "self." The Greek word "ψυχη", that some translate as "soul" actually means "self." I read nothing in the New Testament about death to the "ψυχη."

However, I do read that the OLD "ανθρωπος" (person) was crucified with Christ and replaced with the NEW person—new in Christ Jesus. It is the same self, but a new person with different desires, with a different character, a person who is a servant of Christ.
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Re: Predestined

Postby St. Michael » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:47 pm

That pretty much sums it up Paidion! The old self is crucified with Christ. In union with Christ we are clothed in the new SELF.

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The Holy Grail

The scales of justice balance in September
As Michael crushes Satan's head in death
Ego is cast out, the new self is in union with Christ
Flames of torment destroy the self of the old
I stand on this Holy Mountain of God crucified
Baptized into water, death, and fire, I'm made new
The cup of the Holy Grail infuses precious stones within
As I become drunk on the Beautiful cup of blood
Victory reigns at the core in the Holy land of Eden
In celebration of the marriage with the Lamb
I have fallen madly in love with love


At the cross Satan was defeated in the spirit realm by Michael the archangel. I wasn't aware that he was a guardian and protector of the Eucharist until after I wrote "The Holy Grail" poem above. For the Christian the "Holy Grail" is the Eucharist or coming into union with Christ. That is, falling in love with agape. Here's what Mother Mary said in an apparition on September 25 in the 90's (on my birthday) in Medjugorje. I found this out after I wrote "The Holy Grail" poem above:

Today I invite you to fall in love with Jesus in the most holy sacrament. Adore Him....Jesus will become your friend.
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Re: Predestined

Postby St. Michael » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:21 pm

I Am In Love With Love

I am in love with love
love is in love with me
my body fell in love
with my soul
and my soul fell in love
with me
we take turns in loving
we take turns in being loved

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Re: Predestined

Postby Paidion » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:56 pm

That pretty much sums it up Paidion! The old self is crucified with Christ. In union with Christ we are clothed in the new SELF.


But the point of my post, was that the self is NOT crucified with Christ. You saw WE "are clothed in the new SELF." But who is this "WE"? Is it not the self? If our self were crucified we would no longer exist. As the passage affirms it is the old PERSON that is crucified with Christ, and the new person comes forth. At first sight, we might think "self" and "person" is the same thing. However, I think "person" is used figuratively, just as in speech today, when a person changes dramatically, someone will comment, "He is a different person from the one he used to be." So Paul's words indicate much the same idea. The disciple of Christ becomes a new person in Christ Jesus. The former self-seeking person is gone forever!—crucified with Christ.
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Re: Predestined

Postby St. Michael » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:16 pm

Paidion,

It's the old sinful self that is crucified. The ego. All sin stems from ego.

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
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Re: Predestined

Postby Paidion » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:16 pm

Don't you think the passage from Paul you quoted is figurative language? If Paul had been literally crucified with Christ, he would no longer have existed.

How about yourself? Do you no longer have an ego? Do you never do anything now in order to fulfill your own needs or desires?
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Re: Predestined

Postby St. Michael » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:02 pm

Paidion,

Jesus gave us the example:


he made himself nothing

by taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself

by becoming obedient to death—

even death on a cross!

Phil. 2:7-8



And no I'm not as perfect as Jesus but I have changed. I have more humility than I use to and I'm going to try for even more.
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