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Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Gregory MacDonald » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:56 am

For those of you interested in historical theology or universalism there is a forthcoming book that may appeal to you.

Gregory MacDonald (ed.), "All Shall Be Well": Explorations in Universalism and Christian Theology, from Origen to Moltmann. Eugene: Cascade Books, 2010.

Here is the contents page

1. Introduction: Between Heresy and Dogma—Gregory MacDonald

I. Third to Fifteenth Centuries
2. Apokatastasis: Particularist Universalism in Origen (c.185–c.254)—Tom Greggs
3. The Subjection of All Things in Christ: The Christocentric Universalism in Gregory of Nyssa (331/340–c.395)—Steve Harmon
4. Sin has its Place, But All Shall Be Well: The Universalism of Hope in Julian of Norwich (c.1342–c.1416)—Robert Sweetman

II. Seventeenth to Nineteenth Centuries
5. Love is all and God is Love: Universalism in Peter Sterry (1613–1672) and Jeremiah White (1630–1707)—Louise Hickman
6. Union with Christ: The Calvinist Universalism of James Relly (1722–1778)—Wayne K. Clymer
7. Between Calvinism and Arminianism: The Evangelical Universalism of Elhanan Winchester (1751–1797)—Robin Parry
8. Salvation-in-Community: The Tentative Universalism of Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768–1834)—Murray Rae
9. Postmortem Education: Universal Salvation in Thomas Erskine (1788–1870)—Don Horrocks
10. The Just Mercy of God: Universal Salvation in George MacDonald (1824–1905)—Thomas Talbott

III. Twentieth Century
11. The Final Sanity is Complete Sanctity: Universal Holiness in the Soteriology of P. T. Forsyth (1848–1921)—Jason Goroncy
12. The Judgment of Love: The Ontological Universalism of Sergius Bulgakov (1871–1944)—Paul Gavrilyuk
13. I do teach it, but I also do not teach it: The Universalism of Karl Barth (1886–1968)—Oliver Crisp
14. The Totality of Condemnation Fell on Christ: Universal Salvation in Jaques Ellul (1912–1994)—Andrew Goddard
15. In the End, God . . . :The Christian Universalism of J. A. T. Robinson (1919–1983)—Trevor Hart
16. Christ’s Descent into Hell: The Hopeful Universalism of Hans Urs von Balthasar (1905–1988)—Edward T. Oakes, SJ
17. Hell and the God of Love: Universalism in the Philosophy of John Hick (1922–)—Lindsay Hall
18. The Annihilation of Hell and the Perfection of Freedom: Universal Salvation in the Theology of Jürgen Moltmann (1926–)—Nik Ansell

I am hopeful that the book will be out in November. All that I can say is that it really is an excellent book! (Shameless plug!)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Kaviraj » Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:27 pm

What about Clement of Alexandria?
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JasonPratt » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:43 am

Saved for the sequel.

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby james.goetz » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:46 am

The book is from Origen to Moltmann. So Clement of Alexandria would be in the prequel.
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby stellar renegade » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:41 am

I'm so excited! :mrgreen: I've really been needing this historical analysis. It will be helpful for the book I'll be putting together, as well. Don't worry, credit will be given where it is due! :mrgreen:
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TotalVictory » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:35 pm

Wow -- that looks like an incredibly cool "next step" in the growing pile of evidence.
Eagerly await it!

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Stream » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:25 pm

Great, can't to get a hold of this new read!!!! 8-)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:56 am

Guess what arrived this afternoon, hot off the press?!!!!

You guessed it, I'm now the proud owner of "All Shall Be Well" :mrgreen:

It was actually for my dad's Christmas present, but that seems too far away, so I'm thinking of giving it to him as a belated birthday present instead! That way, we'll both get to read it sooner 8-)

Auggybendoggy, James Goetz or Jason Pratt, can we please add this to the "Materials we recommend as a Community"?
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JasonPratt » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:38 am

Sure!

Although, since you got it ahead of the rest of us, maybe you should add it (even moderate admin powers should work for that), so you can describe it better. :D
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:29 pm

I'll happily add it, I just wasn't sure if I was allowed as technically it says
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby AllanS » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:05 pm

Alex Smith wrote:Guess what arrived this afternoon, hot off the press?!!!!

You guessed it, I'm now the proud owner of "All Shall Be Well" :mrgreen:

It was actually for my dad's Christmas present, but that seems too far away, so I'm thinking of giving it to him as a belated birthday present instead! That way, we'll both get to read it sooner 8-)


Excellent news :)

I like presents, even belated ones.
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JasonPratt » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:55 pm

Alex Smith wrote:I'll happily add it, I just wasn't sure if I was allowed as technically it says
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You can add "Alex" to that too, now. :D (That was the admin list.)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby stellar renegade » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:30 pm

Wow, Alex is a mod? Good deal. That was quick. :mrgreen:

And, this book is ready for ordering!? Oh, how I wish I had a job right now!
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:55 am

I am indeed 8-)

I got my copy the day before Robin so I was extra chuffed :mrgreen:
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TGB » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:25 pm

Don't see it on amazon at all. Where you guys finding it?

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TotalVictory » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Tom:

It's from Wipf and is ordered direct from them...
Here's the link

http://wipfandstock.com/store/All_Shall ... o_Moltmann

Mine was mailed two days ago. :D

Probably won't be able to get to it right away though. Too many things ahead of it to read... :cry: :cry:

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:37 pm

I too got mine directly from the publisher, however, I do believe it will be available on Amazon in a few weeks/months. The publisher gives good discounts on multiples too, in case anyone wanted to know :)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby AllanS » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:34 pm

It's looking good so far. I read the chapter on Jaques Ellul to my wife last night, the von Balthasar section this morning, and am now dipping into Moltmann.

And it's perfect weather for it.
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Luke » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:51 pm

A critical comment, but meant more as an observation than an argument. It does seem heavily weighted to the Modern Era.
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:57 am

We'll have to ask Robin why he chose the people he did, when he gets back from his conferences in the US.

Personally, I assume that after the church condemned Origen for other things, universalism got unjustly tainted and it's taken this long to get past that?? Anyway, being part of a remnant or minority for a little while doesn't make it not true :P
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JeffA » Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:21 am

In fact God seems to be inordinately fond of remnants (as well as beetles)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JasonPratt » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:47 am

JeffA wrote:In fact God seems to be inordinately fond of remnants (as well as beetles)


And remnant beetles.... :mrgreen:
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby JeffA » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:38 am

Ahh! :D Yes - Paul and Ringo!
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Gregory MacDonald » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:11 am

Yes, the reason why the modern era is weighted is simply that there are more universalists in the modern era. Very few between 5th C and 17th C (for reasons explained in the intro). If there was ever a second volume it would include Clement and a few other old guys but most universalist theologians are post-17th C.
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:30 am

Gregory MacDonald wrote:(for reasons explained in the intro)

and
TotalVictory wrote:Over on GM's Introductory chapter in ALL SHALL BE WELL makes that point very dramatically for me. It's a really fabulous chapter I think.


Robin, is there any chance of you posting the intro on the forum for the benefit of those who haven't got your book yet? Although as it's about 25 pages, perhaps just a few snippets? :)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TGB » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:18 pm

A $40 paperback. Ouch.

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:24 pm

The Evangelical Universalist is 214 pages and that costs $19.20
http://wipfandstock.com/store/The_Evang ... iversalist

Whereas "All Shall Be Well" is 454 pages of goodness 8-)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Alex Smith » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:59 pm

Alex Smith wrote:
Gregory MacDonald wrote:(for reasons explained in the intro)

and
TotalVictory wrote:Over on GM's Introductory chapter in ALL SHALL BE WELL makes that point very dramatically for me. It's a really fabulous chapter I think.


Robin, is there any chance of you posting the intro on the forum for the benefit of those who haven't got your book yet? Although as it's about 25 pages, perhaps just a few snippets? :)

Well I emailed GM and he kindly let me post a draft of the ENTIRE chapter on our forum, so if you haven't read it yet see... viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1173#p16464
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TGB » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:29 am

Robin opens his introduction to All Shall Be Well with:

“At the most simple level Christian universalism is the belief that God will (or, in the case of ‘hopeful universalism’, might) redeem all people through the saving work of Christ.”

I’ve thought of myself as one of those “hopeful” universalists, but I never located the “might” where Robin does. Robin describes hopeful universalism as the belief that “God might save all” as opposed to the belief that “God will save all.” I express my doubts differently. My doubt is not that if universalism is true it might only be true for some but not all (Robin’s "hopeful universalism"). My doubt is with respect to the truth of universalism per se. In other words, I concede that it might be the case that universalism is false. It’s about being academically honest. For me the “might” qualifies the entire proposition positing UR for all and not just some. But I don’t entertain any doubt at all that if universalism is true some persons will succeed in forever rejecting God. Once one assumes the truth of UR, there is no meaningful sense in which I can express doubt regarding the salvation of any. That seems to exclude me from Robin's "hopeful unversalist" group. But I don’t affirm my belief (in UR per se) dogmatically, which seems to exclude me from Robin's more certain (the "God will save all") group.

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby TGB » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:11 am

Later on pp. 13-14 Robin makes it clear that by “hopeful universalism” he means believing in the salvation of all with less than full conviction and by “convinced universalism” he means believing in the same salvation of all with full conviction or certain. So the qualifications “hopeful” and “convinced” describe the epistemic status of one and the same belief, namely, that all without exception will be saved. The hopeful universalist HOPES that it's true that God shall save all. This must be what he meant in his opening sentence, though his placement of “might” in that opening sentence is confusing.

In the end, by placing UR within the category of theologumena we permit both him who affirms UR and her who denies UR to be fully persuaded or convinced of their beliefs while at the same time requiring each to recognize and extend the possibility of equal conviction to the another, which just means we all concede that on this issue we could be wrong however convinced we might be that we are right.

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Gregory MacDonald » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:33 am

Luke,

Alex is correct. Most universalists are post 17th C. There are few people of note between Gregory and the 17th C.

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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby roofus » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:57 am

Gregory MacDonald wrote:Luke,

Alex is correct. Most universalists are post 17th C. There are few people of note between Gregory and the 17th C.

Robin


As far as theologians, do you mean? Or do we believe the sources that speak of it as a large group (was that Augustine?)
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Luke » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:08 pm

I'm keen to see these sources.
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Postby Alex Smith » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:42 am

Well there is the one that Talbott & Robin quote in their books...
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Re: Details on the Forthcoming Book

Postby Gregory MacDonald » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:35 am

The reason that the book is heavily weigted to the modern period is that most explicit universalists are post-sixteenth century. There are some earlier ones and it is possible we will do a sequal book to plug some gaps—I had a list of possible people to do chapters on (inc. Clement of Alexandria)—but I think I may not edit that one. I need to focus on topics other than universalism. (My next topic of interest is biblical cosmology and its contemporary relevance)
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