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Postby JamesAH81072 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:09 pm

DaveB wrote:Very interesting. I think the AI apocalypse is much more tenable than the ZA!


Skynet will be operational soon. Anyone got John Connor's cell #?
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:52 am

If this is true, it is a total betrayal at the most basic level of trust - abortion coverage.

I don't yet KNOW if it is true - and since the congress comes up with their actual budget and the appropriations thereof, this provision may not live to see the light of day - somewhat like the innocent little lives it condemns. With tax payer money.

So: we don't know if the article is true yet or not, but I think it probably is

I want to know WHY.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/12/whi ... -coverage/
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:17 pm

Well, Dave. NOT only am I convinced...that things like this...will lead to the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse. But I think, we are headed for a world...Where Skynet, The Matrix, and The Walking Dead - will go hand in hand. :shock:

Perhaps this article from today's Patheos, Evangelical newsletter - might prove helpful :?:


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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:29 pm

With AIA and ZA - we've got it covered, A to Z!
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Cindy Skillman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:15 pm

Ah man! That's the first I heard of it. So disappointing. :( :( :(
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby maintenanceman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:11 pm

DaveB wrote:If this is true, it is a total betrayal at the most basic level of trust - abortion coverage.

I don't yet KNOW if it is true - and since the congress comes up with their actual budget and the appropriations thereof, this provision may not live to see the light of day - somewhat like the innocent little lives it condemns. With tax payer money.

So: we don't know if the article is true yet or not, but I think it probably is

I want to know WHY.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/12/whi ... -coverage/


Well, if it is true, the idea of abortion is so repulsive to many of the conservatives, and yet as I see it they want to limit the idea of contraceptives? Or I may be wrong. :lol:
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Paidion » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:57 pm

Hi Cindy, you wrote:Evidence has been uncovered of lawyers paying women, SEEKING women to tell stories about DJT. That's not speculation. It's proven fact. I know you won't have heard about that, Paidion, because the media you watch will not have mentioned anything but the accusations. Destroying people is highly profitable lawyering in the United States.


Cindy, I suppose you are saying that "the media I watch" offer only "false news" about that accusations concerning Rob Porter, and all negative statements concerning Mr. Trump. Canadians have no iron in this fire. They can neither elect a U.S. president or bring down a U.S. president. So why would Canadian news mention nothing but "the accusations"? What would be the motive of Canadians spreading "false news" about Mr. Trump? Or against Rob Porter?

I find that Mr. Trump and his supporters label as "false news" any news that places Mr. Trump in a negative light. They seem to be behaving rather similar to a cult, whose members think their leader can do no wrong and defend his every action. It reminds me of the Flat Earthers, who claim that every argument for a spherical earth is false. Because they believe the earth to a flat circle ("the circle of the earth") and that the sky is a dome above this circle (some of them even believe the stars are lights from Heaven shining through the dome), they claim that particular unscrupulous people have invented false videos, etc.to make it seem as if the earth is spherical. They believe the first moon landing was fake photography.

ANGRY FLAT-EARTHERS

It just doesn't make sense that all of those newscasters were deceived with "false accusations" of Rob Porter's two ex-wives concerning their former husband, and that all negative statements about Mr. Trump are "false news." Those kinds of statements bear the earmarks of a cult.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:09 pm

I find that Mr. Trump and his supporters label as "false news" any news that places Mr. Trump in a negative light. They seem to be behaving rather similar to a cult, whose members think their leader can do no wrong and defend his every action.








I'm a Trump supporter so I want to thank you for pointing out I belong to a cult. Also my wife supports Trump more then I do and she certainly will be thankful for being alerted she is also a cult member.
Frankly Porter will be forgotten within a week and perhaps the Trump WH made a mistake and hopefully learns something from it. Just for the record I support Trump despite his personality but because he is a ardent Capitalist which I think is by far the best economic system there is.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:13 pm

Don, you are simply wrong in most of what you said in that post, but perhaps you are the one in a cult? The 'never-Trumpers' or something? :o :o

You are way out of touch with how bad the situation is here - but you are not alone. I talk with friends in Holland who tell me the most outrageous things their newspapers tell them - and are shocked when I can prove they are outright LIES - not fake news, actual lying by the media. Same with people I know in Australia.

I can't convince you - you have to be here where it is a struggle to get anything approaching fair and balanced. The media are now advocacy journalists - most of the 'reporting' they do is no more than opinion.

Don, it's bad, very bad.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Cindy Skillman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:07 pm

I'm pretty sure I already posted this once. It's a graphic produced by a Harvard group that did a study on the news coverage President Trump has received from the media hereabouts and across the pond. If there's been any change, it hasn't been in Donald Trump's favor.

Please note that Fox News does not give the president anything like unremittingly positive coverage. I've learned from personal experience that what we hear from the news media is at best exaggerated and at worst utterly false (for lack of a better word, propaganda.) And I'm only talking about relatively neutral things--from the weather to the political conditions in another country. News people know we can't just drop everything and fly off to Guatemala or even South Carolina to see whether or not they're being straight with us. On the few occasions I've had the opportunity to verify, I've found the media to be so far over the top that I can only describe it as lying. And THAT is just for ratings. Imagine if they have a political horse to power across the finish line. These are not honest people. They're actors with a role to play and an agenda to enact. This is supposed to be a republic. They are supposed to tell us the truth, but they do not. We aren't obligated to believe them, just because other people choose to do so.

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(Edited to add:) By the way, I have contested and continue to contest that certain democratic politicians--men whose politics I absolutely detest and whom I consider to be hypocrites and posers using their constituency merely to continue accruing political power and wealth--should NOT have been drummed out of office on the mere accusation of impropriety. I've even written to them and encouraged them to stay and insist on due process. Not because I think they were innocent; I don't know. If they haven't confessed, I want them to get due process. If they're found innocent and their constituency still believes in their guilt, then THEY and they alone should "fire" them at the next election. Due process is THAT important to our nation. People's lives shouldn't be ruined over the mere rumor--unproven--of wrong-doing.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:26 am

In response to Paidion's statements - I add this. I am a big fan, of the BBC News. And I read it online and watch it, for a half hour - each day - on TV. The UK and the US - are good friends. So they really don't have any political bias (more or less), in reporting US news.

I"m an independent. Now that Trump is in, let him take the ball - and run with it. As long as he doesn't do anything, that compromises older Americans...And the AARP has no issues...I let him do his thing.

Folks can always vote in, a bunch of Democrats - during the midterms.

Someone mentioned the Trump cult here. I am a big, virtual fan...of the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse - cult message. AND I AM PROUD OF IT :!: :D

However. I am open minded, regarding some sort of AI Apocalypse - occurring simultaneously. :)

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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:55 am

However. I am open minded, regarding some sort of AI Apocalypse - occurring simultaneously. :)













I suspect Trump is a Zombie and everyone he brought into the WH are Zombies. Perhaps Muellar should investigate this!!
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Cindy Skillman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:11 am

Steve wrote:I suspect Trump is a Zombie and everyone he brought into the WH are Zombies. Perhaps Muellar should investigate this!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: At least maybe that would give him something else to chew on, seeing the Russia thing seems to be landing on HIM and his buddies instead of on its intended target.
"Always accuse the OTHER of the thing of which you are yourself guilty."
I don't remember who said that. Mussolini or Lenin or Stalin or someone like that, but they all run together. Russia is clearly exploding in the "wrong" court, so now they're going to have to attempt "obstruction of justice." It might work as a legal fiction--even to throw people in jail--for obstructing a "justice" that was intent on prosecuting the wrong person for something that wouldn't have been a crime had they done it but WAS a crime in the way that they themselves actually did do it. :roll: If you wrote a spy novel like this, no one would read it because it would just be too, too ridiculous to allow anyone to "suspend reality" in order to enjoy the read.

Zombies (let alone AI) would be so much easier to believe than what is in fact happening in DC. :?
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Paidion » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:13 pm

Here is a photo known to be that of Colbie Holderness, one of Rob Porter's former wives.

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But I suppose Mr. Trump's supporters will definitely state that she received the black eye in some way other than being struck by Porter.

Finally, when Mr. Trump was called upon to comment on the allegations of Porter's former wives, he said, "I'm surprised—greatly surprised, but I wish him well." He then went on to tell what a good job Porter had done. Then he said, "He has denied the allegations. Remember that." So if Mr.Trump believes the abuse never took place, then it is almost certain that his supporters will believe the same.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:18 pm

So if Mr.Trump believes the abuse never took place, then it is almost certain that his supporters will believe the same.









I'm a supporter and i believe Porter's wives and that the WH messed up. Next case!
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 pm

Always accuse the OTHER of the thing of which you are yourself guilty."
I don't remember who said that. Mussolini or Lenin or Stalin or someone like that, but they all run together






The shrinks call it projecting or just being a Democrat :lol: Hitler said if you keep telling a lie enough times it becomes believed. Sadly he was right.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:02 pm

IF he did it, Don, he has to face the consequences. YOU don't know if he did it.
Your cult of never-Trumpers are too quick to believe anything anti-Trump.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:40 pm

DaveB wrote:IF he did it, Don, he has to face the consequences. YOU don't know if he did it.
Your cult of never-Trumpers are too quick to believe anything anti-Trump.


I did find a book on Amazon. It got 5-star ratings and reviews, from readers. I hope to get a copy, via the public library. It might help, with the issues here. :)


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Postby DaveB » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:46 pm

How would that help?
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:01 pm

DaveB wrote:How would that help?


Everyone would be focused on, preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse. And nobody would have time, for domestic abuse and other things. ;)

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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Paidion » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:48 pm

Dave wrote:YOU don't know if he did it.
Your cult of never-Trumpers are too quick to believe anything anti-Trump.


NO FACTS of any kind that puts Trump in a bad light, makes the slightest difference to the Cult of Trumpery. Like Mr. Trump himself, his fanatic supporters immediately dismiss those facts as "false news."

Well... I'm finished arguing about this. What I or anyone else says that questions Trumps ways and words, makes no difference whatever to most Trump supporters.

However, I WILL affirm that I don't oppose Trump as a person. Rather, I oppose some of his policies, and most of his ludicrous words and "solutions." I was concerned that his words about wiping out North Korea (and which North Korea took as a threat) might result in nuclear war. But it appears (at least for the time being) that North Korea isn't going to take the first step in such a war. I'm sure the world rejoices in that!

Best wishes to you and to all Trump supporters! I sincerely wish that Mr. Trump were, in fact, all that you believe him to be.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby maintenanceman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:05 pm

Paidion wrote:
Dave wrote:YOU don't know if he did it.
Your cult of never-Trumpers are too quick to believe anything anti-Trump.


NO FACTS of any kind that puts Trump in a bad light, makes the slightest difference to the Cult of Trumpery. Like Mr. Trump himself, his fanatic supporters immediately dismiss those facts as "false news."

Well... I'm finished arguing about this. What I or anyone else says that questions Trumps ways and words, makes no difference whatever to most Trump supporters.

However, I WILL affirm that I don't oppose Trump as a person. Rather, I oppose some of his policies, and most of his ludicrous words and "solutions." I was concerned that his words about wiping out North Korea (and which North Korea took as a threat) might result in nuclear war. But it appears (at least for the time being) that North Korea isn't going to take the first step in such a war. I'm sure the world rejoices in that!

Best wishes to you and to all Trump supporters! I sincerely wish that Mr. Trump were, in fact, all that you believe him to be.


You know Don, that is a pretty nice post and I tend to agree with some of it. But if we look at DJT as a new entity, not like other presidents before him, we may see a ruffling of the ranks, and much of his vocabulary and demeanor are toward that end. This is the very thing many people here in the US are looking for. They like it :lol:
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:23 am

We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give."-- Winston S. Churchill


Folks might think I'm strange. When I talk about the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse. But look at this news item, from the BBC today. :shock:


Now, which is worse? The Trump cult or the Zombie Apocalypse cult :?: :?

At least the latter is performing a great service - for humanity. :D

And all you AI Apocalypse promoters...might be interested, in this BBC story: :D

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Postby steve7150 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:00 pm

NO FACTS of any kind that puts Trump in a bad light, makes the slightest difference to the Cult of Trumpery. Like Mr. Trump himself, his fanatic supporters immediately dismiss those facts as "false news."









I get the feeling you think all Trump supporters have red necks and are missing many teeth and are married to their cousins? I know quite a few and it's not about Trump , it's about his policies vs the Democrats policies. Like economic growth,secure borders and strong military. Sounds radical doesn't it, or as the Dems often claim, racist!!
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:00 am

Well, here's something to rejoice about???

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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:23 am

DaveB wrote:Well, here's something to rejoice about???

walking-dead-season-8-will-feature-first-fully-nude-zombie.html


Here's the story, with a clickable link:


Well, the creators are exercising their "artistic license". I used to work in Chicago - years back. It was in the field of software engineering. And I took out a membership, to the Chicago Art Museum. During the lunch hour, I would go hear an" expert" speak. They would take a museum display or exhibit - and talk about it. Some exhibit items would strike me as shocking. But the "expert" had no issues with them.

Which is actually the subject, of a Twilight Zone episode at Eye of the Beholder

Plot summary

Janet Tyler has undergone her eleventh treatment (the maximum number legally allowed) in an attempt to look normal. Tyler is first shown with her head completely bandaged so that her face cannot be seen. Her face is described as a "pitiful twisted lump of flesh" by the nurses and doctor, whose own faces are always in shadows or off-camera. The outcome of the procedure cannot be known until the bandages are removed. Unable to bear the bandages any longer, Tyler pleads with the doctor and eventually convinces him to remove them early. As he prepares, the doctor develops great empathy for Tyler. The nurse verbally expresses concern for the doctor and that she still is uneasy of Tyler's appearance. The doctor becomes displeased and questions why Tyler or anyone must be judged on their outer beauty. The nurse warns him not to continue in that vein as it is considered treason.

The doctor removes the bandages. The procedure has failed, and her face has undergone no change. The camera pulls back to reveal that she is actually attractive (by the contemporary viewer's standards) and the doctor, nurses and other people in the hospital have large, thick brows, sunken eyes, swollen and twisted lips, and wrinkled noses with extremely large nostrils. Distraught by the failure of the procedure, Tyler runs through the hospital as what is considered normal in this alternate society "state" are revealed. Flat-screen televisions throughout the hospital project an image of the State's leader giving a speech calling for greater conformity.

Eventually, a handsome man (again by the contemporary viewer's standards) named Walter Smith arrives to take the crying, despondent Tyler into exile to a village of her "own kind", where her "ugliness" will not trouble the State. Before the two leave, Smith comforts Tyler, saying that she will find love and belonging in the ghetto and that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".


Which raises DEEP philosophical questions, about what is beautiful - and what is not. Which I am also raising. As an artist, as well as an armchair philosopher and theologian. :)

Here's the full 22-minute episode - commercial free.

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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Invernessian » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:00 am

So, the majority of recent posters don't seem to like Trump or his policies!

I suggest a trade.

We Canadians will take Trump. But in return you must take Justin Trudeau along with the entire bunch of Liberals who have no idea how to run a country. That's an offer too good to turn down.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see" - John Heywood, 1546.

As British Prime Minister, Harold McMillan said in 1957; "You have never had it so good".

Are we on?
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby DaveB » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:21 am

If we got your guy, we would all have to use words like 'peoplekind' - gads. I'm not in for the trade, sorry... :lol:
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Postby qaz » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:46 am

Invernessian wrote:So, the majority of recent posters don't seem to like Trump or his policies!

I suggest a trade.

We Canadians will take Trump. But in return you must take Justin Trudeau along with the entire bunch of Liberals who have no idea how to run a country. That's an offer too good to turn down.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see" - John Heywood, 1546.

As British Prime Minister, Harold McMillan said in 1957; "You have never had it so good".

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I'd take Trudeau in a heartbeat over an anti-safety net, global warming denier who wants to sell off public lands.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Cindy Skillman » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:34 am

I am very sorry for you, my brother Invernessian. We however have already had our share of pretty-boy chief executives. Not--DEFINITELY not up for another one. As for rednecks, these hardworking folks got their names from bending over the harvest in the heat of the day on their own farms. People who work hard to care for themselves and their families, in-other-words. People the democratic elite despise, save for their proper "purpose:" as cattle kept, fed, fattened for use at election day. Since many of the cattle have of late become rebellious, the elite class mean to import a whole new electorate. No. Just no.
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:36 pm

in-other-words. People the democratic elite despise, save for their proper "purpose:" as cattle kept, fed, fattened for use at election day. Since many of the cattle have of late become rebellious, the elite class mean to import a whole new electorate. No. Just no.





Hitting the nail directly on the head!!
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby maintenanceman » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:57 pm

Cindy Skillman wrote:I am very sorry for you, my brother Invernessian. We however have already had our share of pretty-boy chief executives. Not--DEFINITELY not up for another one. As for rednecks, these hardworking folks got their names from bending over the harvest in the heat of the day on their own farms. People who work hard to care for themselves and their families, in-other-words. People the democratic elite despise, save for their proper "purpose:" as cattle kept, fed, fattened for use at election day. Since many of the cattle have of late become rebellious, the elite class mean to import a whole new electorate. No. Just no.


Yep, though I am inspired by your ideas about rednecks, folks should know that in the US, there are those who would sell the understanding of 'the bill of rights' right down the sewer. The idea of both UK and Canadian quasi socialism is at the heart of the debate. We as a people (here in the USA) are fighting mad about our rights. The very rights that made us the nation we were and are. :D Maybe Cindy, Dave, or others will chime in. :lol:
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:10 am

maintenanceman wrote:The idea of both UK and Canadian quasi socialism is at the heart of the debate. We as a people (here in the USA) are fighting mad about our rights. The very rights that made us the nation we were and are. :D Maybe Cindy, Dave, or others will chime in. :lol:


Well, I had a nice talk, at the health club. With a US citizen from India. Who's a Trump fan and a high-income person to boot? He was telling me Apple has their headquarters in Ireland (perhaps a shell office) and they are the world's most profitable company. But Ireland - he told me - has a corporate tax rate of 4%. So I asked him how Ireland, can afford social programs - like universal health care. His reply was that the low tax rate triggers more business opportunities. Which in turn, allows for these social programs.

So why can't the US have BOTH, a low tax rate and programs like universal health care? If Ireland can do it. And places like Singapore can do it. So can we. :)

Instead, we will probably have the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse, dumped on us. :lol:

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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby steve7150 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:46 am

So why can't the US have BOTH, a low tax rates and programs like universal health care? If Ireland can do it. ANd places like Singapore can do it. So can we. :)






Art Laffer is nodding his head in agreement! :idea:
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Re: How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Postby Cindy Skillman » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:37 am

I don't know about Ireland. It sounds wonderful, but I haven't researched any of that. I do know that if the current administration tried to push a 4% corporate tax rate, the current "#resistance" would likely start shooting up baseball practice fields in earnest. Personally, I think a 4% tax rate is a great idea, and I'd submit, why not for everybody? Let's share the joy of keeping the fruits of one's own labor. That way, we can also have more left over to willingly give to those in need. Look at what many "evil big businessmen" have done on the mere promise of lower taxes and relaxing of draconian regulations. Do we really think the bulk of US citizens would do less?
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Postby steve7150 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 pm

Look at what many "evil big businessmen" have done on the mere promise of lower taxes











Reminds me of when Bernie ran and kept referring to "Wall Street" amid rousing applause , but he never defined what he exactly meant by Wall Street. That never bothered his followers however.
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