Updating the Date of the Shroud

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Updating the Date of the Shroud

Postby Lazarus Short » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:02 pm

New techniques have yielded a date for the Shroud of Turin to the time of Christ.

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Re: Updating the Date of the Shroud

Postby JasonPratt » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Well, not exactly new -- the tests date from the late 90s to the early 00s. Still, I keep track of Shroud tests at least casually up to date, and I hadn't heard of fiber tensile strength tests before! 8-)

There is a metric ton of scientific data pointing to a suitably ancient origin and scientifically unknown process, unduplicatable by ancient methods, for the generation of the Shroud; and really only test against an early date, the Carbon Dating tests. There is conflicting information about those tests: for example, the people who did them (I've read their reports) are VERY VERY CLEAR that they did NOT test the medieval patchwork: they were careful about not taking material from it or its seam, and they could have easily told the difference when setting up the test that they had the wrong material. On the other hand, the two men chiefly responsible for inventing the two kinds of standard Carbon dating methods available, both have agreed independently that the tests had been botched somehow and should be redone.

It's grimly amusing to watch modern reconstruction artists trying to claim they've proved how the Shroud was made by managing to mimic a few key details -- while being totally unable to mimic all the key details. (And their methods are mutually exclusive so couldn't be combined to create the end results.)
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Re: Updating the Date of the Shroud

Postby Geoffrey » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:11 pm

JasonPratt wrote:It's grimly amusing to watch modern reconstruction artists trying to claim they've proved how the Shroud was made by managing to mimic a few key details -- while being totally unable to mimic all the key details. (And their methods are mutually exclusive so couldn't be combined to create the end results.)


Indeed. Assuming the Shroud of Turin is a 14th-century creation, I do not see why people cannot easily re-create it using 14th-century techniques. All the supposed recreations I've seen are pretty sad.

I remember back in the 1990s going to the Shroud center of John Jackson (member of STURP) just an hour's drive north of me in Colorado Springs. (Click: http://www.shroudofturin.com/index.html ) He said that if the Shroud were fake, the STURP team would have examined the Shroud for about 20 minutes before finding that it was obviously and inescapably a 14th-century creation. Instead, the more they looked the more amazed they became.

I'm not committed to the Shroud being authentic, but I lean towards authenticity.
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Re: Updating the Date of the Shroud

Postby JasonPratt » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:11 am

Geoffrey wrote:I'm not committed to the Shroud being authentic, but I lean towards authenticity.


Ditto. :mrgreen:
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