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Postby DaveB » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:35 pm

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Postby Cole » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:06 pm

Here's one I'm reading at the moment:


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Christian universalists believe that ultimately God will reconcile all people through Jesus Christ. While a minority perspective, this view has been held by some of the most venerable and respected theologians throughout the Christian tradition, and has resurfaced in recent years in popular theological discussions. This wide-ranging work, written in a conversational style, draws deeply from biblical studies, early church history, and contemporary philosophy of religion to make the case that Christian universalism is a coherent, compelling, biblical, orthodox option for envisioning the life of the world to come. After offering an introductory exploration and critique of the dominant Christian view of hell, the reader is then guided through chapter-length responses to the major misunderstandings and objections to this position, which are:

•Universalists don't believe in hell.
•Universalists don't believe the Bible.
•Universalists deny human freedom.
•Universalists think all religions are equally true.
•Universalists have no motivation for evangelism.
•Universalists have no motivation for holy living.

Those looking for a comprehensive investigation into the current debate on hell and universal salvation will find it in Flames of Love.
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Postby Cole » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:18 pm

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Juggling reading all three depending on my mood at the moment, mostly the middle one. Just got to the part there where universalism is talked about for the first time -- AN's evaluation (certainly not universalistic) is that Rome's doctrine of purgatory was too much like universalism and too closely connected to the arguments of ancient universalism patristics (including Nyssa) for the Byzantine Orthodox to accept when it started to become a topical problem in the middle of the middle ages.

Before then, he mentions nothing about universalism being an issue required by some popes for Eastern bishops to renounce for returning to Roman communion, though I know at least one or two of the Sources of Catholic Dogma feature this requirement.

The overall impression is that neither purgatory nor universalism was a reunion or schism issue until the 1200s, and that once Justinian jumped on universalism the Byzantines felt they had to follow suit in order to avoid being tarred with the other issues (mostly false in hindsight) attributed to Origen -- but they followed suit rigorously (notable exceptions like Maximus Confessor excepted), much moreso than the early Eastern Fathers whom AN acknowledges tended to regard hell, purgatory and heaven as progressive versions of the same state of existence rather than discreetly different states of existence.
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Postby DaveB » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:05 am

Let me know what you think about that Balthasar book, once you've given it some time. Thanks.
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Postby Melchizedek » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:40 am

Derek Flood's new book: Disarming Scripture. It's excellent; highly recommended.
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Postby JasonPratt » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:49 am

Just started reading TT2.0 yesterday. :)
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Postby Gabe Grinstead » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:18 pm

I am still trying to get through Elhanan Winchester's stuff... Problem is, I don't like the format. I wish it was in a pure PDF format instead of the scanned PDF format. Makes it a bit difficult to read. However, I did pickup a new tablet, which will make it easier to read.
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Postby JasonPratt » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:00 am

^^ Some of his books aren't even in scanned pdf, sort of -- the print versions are clearly printing from scans (thus pdf), but the pdfs don't seem to be available. Specifically, his books 3 and 4 of lectures on prophecies remaining to be fulfilled.
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Postby Cole H. » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:13 am

Going back through and flipping through this one again:

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Postby Cole H. » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:54 am

Here's One More I'm Flipping Through:

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Postby Catherine » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:35 am

Melchizedek wrote:Derek Flood's new book: Disarming Scripture. It's excellent; highly recommended.



HI @Melchizedek have you finished this book, and if so, does it mention the Passover?
''Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.'' Isaiah 45:22. (sounds like a command to me. Don't God's commands always come to pass?)
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Postby Catherine » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:37 am

I'm reading 'The Inescapable Love of God' Second Edition. So far it's bloomin marvellous. ;)
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Postby DaveB » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:01 am

Now reading "The Resurrection of the Son of God" by NT Wright. Exhaustive, but not exhausting. :D
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Postby Jonny95 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:55 am

DaveB wrote:Now reading "The Resurrection of the Son of God" by NT Wright. Exhaustive, but not exhausting. :D

I've got to buy that and go through it at some point. Anyone else read it who can vouch for it being a good book?
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Postby ChrisB » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:53 pm

I am having a second go at Surprised by hope also by Tom Wright. He does have a fondness for big technical words which slows me up a bit as I keep running to the dictionary. Why use one word which few understand when three common words will do? Perhaps it's all about keeping the word count low to get the script into print or acceptance by ones peers. His challenging of many accepted norms WRT to popular christian thought is eye opening particularly popular hymns and songs. ie: This world is not my home I'm just a passing through. He challenges this on the basis of it being Gnostic with respect to the world. Is Granny really looking down from heaven as I go about my daily grind? The book is mostly about resurrection.
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Postby Cindy Skillman » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:32 pm

Haha! I totally get you about the long technical words. I read most things on my Kindle, and you can just touch a word and hold down to get a definition. Most of those words come up with "no definition." :roll: I understand if you're writing for a scholarly audience, but for me -- sometimes I have to look them up over and over again because the definitions are hard to understand (and hence to remember), too. :oops:
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Postby chasinghope » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:23 am

Hey! I'm going to be starting "Surprised by Hope" when it arrives in about one week. I'm reeeeaaaalllly looking forward to it.

I've also just began reading "Galatians - A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary" by J.Louis Martyn for a group Bible study I'm doing with some peeps. Hopefully, I will gain a better understanding of what the Apostle Paul meant when he spoke about the "truth of the Gospel."
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Postby pilgrim » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:24 am

ChrisB wrote:I am having a second go at Surprised by hope also by Tom Wright. He does have a fondness for big technical words which slows me up a bit as I keep running to the dictionary. Why use one word which few understand when three common words will do? Perhaps it's all about keeping the word count low to get the script into print or acceptance by ones peers. His challenging of many accepted norms WRT to popular christian thought is eye opening particularly popular hymns and songs. ie: This world is not my home I'm just a passing through. He challenges this on the basis of it being Gnostic with respect to the world. Is Granny really looking down from heaven as I go about my daily grind? The book is mostly about resurrection.


Hi Chris - and Happy New Year.
I can understand his point about Granny (particularly if he believes in soul sleep) though the alternative is also an orthodox and scriptural viewpoint. But I am very surprised regarding his idea that 'we are strangers in a strange land' (which is straight from scripture) is in any way gnostic.
I wonder how he forms this conclusion in the light of 1 Peter 2 v 11-12:
(BBE) My loved ones, I make this request with all my heart, that, as those for whom this world is a strange country, you will keep yourselves from the desires of the flesh which make war against the soul;

(CEV) Dear friends, you are foreigners and strangers on this earth. So I beg you not to surrender to those desires that fight against you.

(GNB) I appeal to you, my friends, as strangers and refugees in this world! Do not give in to bodily passions, which are always at war against the soul.


Presumably he must regard Peter as a gnostic or the book 2 Peter as non Canonical??
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Postby Melchizedek » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:43 pm

Catherine wrote:
Melchizedek wrote:Derek Flood's new book: Disarming Scripture. It's excellent; highly recommended.



HI @Melchizedek have you finished this book, and if so, does it mention the Passover?


I have finished it; I think it does mention something about that, at least in passing. I'm having trouble recalling specifically though.
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Postby Cole H. » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:45 pm

I'm reading the second edition of "The Inescapable Love Of God" and I have to say that I'm quite disappointed. As a philosopher, Thomas Talbot should know that a paradox and contradiction aren't the same thing. He equates paradox with a contradiction. A contradiction is a direct opposition between statements, conclusions, laws, or principles so that it remains impossible for the statements, conclusions, laws or principles being compared to be true at the same time, in the same location, and in the same context. A paradox on the other hand is something that seems contradictory but has at least the possibility of resolution when examined in all possibly existing time, space, and contextual frames of reference. As a Christian universalist I would recommend "Hope Beyond Hell". It's much better. Gerry Beauchemin in "Hope Beyond Hell" talks about the mysterious paradox of God integrating both mercy and justice. This fits well with the fire of God being a purifying fire and not only one that punishes. Indeed, God is driven by love for God is love and He will not turn back until He accomplishes His purposes - The salvation of all.


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Postby Cindy Skillman » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:34 pm

Yes, I haven't gotten to that yet, Cole, but I've always thought of a paradox as a thing hard to understand but which is in fact not contradictory. I looked it up though, and apparently it can mean something that appears to be contradictory but MAY not be contradictory (implying that it also MAY turn out to be contradictory; we don't yet know.) Just a second. I'm going to search Tom's book and see if I can find it . . .

Okay, are you talking about this?

In Part II of this work, I tried to explain why, in my opinion, a universalist reading of the New Testament as a whole is more plausible than either an Augustinian or an Arminian reading. I shall now turn to some logical issues concerning the nature of divine love and examine some questions of logical consistency. In this and subsequent chapters, I shall argue, first, that Augustinian theology gives rise to a serious logical paradox— the paradox of exclusivism, as I shall call it— and is therefore logically inconsistent; second, that Arminian theology, though it escapes the paradox of exclusivism , nonetheless embraces a logical impossibility in the end; and finally, that only universalism can pass the test of coherence and logical consistency. This will not be, however, a mere exercise in abstract logic, divorced from additional exegetical considerations. For one of my purpose in these chapters will be to illustrate how St. Paul’s pre-philosophical understanding of God’s all-pervasive grace can illuminate some important issues concerning the relationship between God’s sovereignty and human freedom.

Talbott, Thomas (2014-12-03). The Inescapable Love of God (p. 123). Cascade Books, an Imprint of Wipf and Stock Publishers. Kindle Edition.


Because here it seems Talbott is talking about something that IS false and is calling it a paradox. Still, as I read the other incidences of "paradox" that my search turned up, he does treat this word as a thing that appears to be false but which may and often does turn out to be true. I can see your problem with the above, though. It seems to me that in this instance, he must be using the term "paradox" out of deference to the people whose ideas he's talking about (because as I say, he uses it more in line with your definition, Cole, later in the text). In other words, perhaps he's giving them the benefit of the doubt as a courtesy until he can further examine their arguments later in the book.

He'd know better than me. Perhaps we should tag him; maybe he'll weigh in on this: @tomtalbott

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Postby tomtalbott » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:38 am

Thanks for calling this to my attention, Cindy. I should perhaps point out that I did not merely use the term "paradox"; I used the term "logical paradox," which is not the same thing, given my own usage, as an apparent contradiction. A logical paradox is, in the strictest sense, a set of propositions that entails a contradiction of the form p and not-p. But if someone prefers to use the same term in some other way, perhaps as synonymous with "an apparent contradiction," that is fine with me. We are all free to define our own terms as we see fit, and a dispute over that is what most philosophers would call a verbal dispute rather than a real one. So if the only criticism I receive is that someone objects to how I define a given term for a given context, then I will be most fortunate indeed!

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Postby Cindy Skillman » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Ah, okay. That makes sense to me. :) I didn't know that a "logical paradox" was a term as a whole. Thanks!
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Postby allsoulsinGod » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:20 pm

Books reading
The Zizum of Love: A New Way of Understanding Marriage
Whole: A Call to Unity in our Fragmented World by Rev. Dr. Sharon Watkins

Books read
Foundations of Christian Faith by Karl Rahner
Son of a Preacher Man by Jay Bakker
Love Wins by Rob Bell
Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell
Jesus Wants to Save Christians: A Manifesto for the Church in Exile by Rob Bell
Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connection between Sexuality and Spirituality by Rob Bell
What we Talk about When We Talk about God by Rob Bell
A New Evangelical Manifesto: A Kingdom Vision for the Common Good by David Gushee
Banned Questions about Jesus, Banned Questions about Christians and Banned Questions about the Bible by Christian Piatt
God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines
Why Did Jesus, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?: Christian Identity in a Multi faith world by Brian McLaren
On God's Side: What Religion Forgets and Politics Hasn't Learned about Serving the Common Good by Jim Wallis
The Gospel of Inclusion and God is not a Christian by Bishop Carlton Pearson
Hope Beyond Hell by Gerry Beauchemin
Christian Universalism: God's Good News for All People by Eric Stetson
If Grace is True: Why God Will Save Every Person and If God is Love: Rediscovering Grace in a Ungracious World by Phil Gulley and James Mulholland
Following Jesus without Embarrassing God by Tony Campolo
It's Friday but Sunday's Comin' by Tony Campolo
No Man is an Island by Thomas Merton
Faith, Doubt and Other Lines I've Crossed by Jay Bakker
Fall to Grace by Jay Bakker
Pastrix by Nadia Bolz Weber
Salvation on the Small Screen by Nadia Bolz Weber
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Postby ChrisB » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:50 am

Allsoulesingod. What a list! One thing does strike me though. I reckon more than half your books won't be found in any of my local Christian Bookshops in Brisbane Australia. There is a sort of censorship going on which seems to preclude many of the topics covered in the books you list. praise God for the Internet and Amazon! We do get American "how to books" by the cartload however in these shops - who buys them?

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Postby JasonPratt » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:23 am

Taking a little break from theological books with The Taliban Don't Wave, a biography of a Canadian spec-ops captain in Afghanistan who after his final brief tour in a combat training role for local army forces was arrested and court-martialed for mercy-shooting a highly wounded enemy. But it mostly isn't about that, it's about the day to day routine of his final tour, which gave him an opportunity to work with the Afghans themselves a lot more closely. He didn't write the biography himself, but dictated a lot of it.


(The title comes from the importance of making sure to wave at the American A-10 Warthogs flying around, because it's hard for pilots to tell who's friendly on the ground or not.)
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Postby Cole H. » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:11 am

Reading a book called "Predestination" written by a Catholic who defends St. Thomas Aquinas views. St. Thomas is considered to be the Doctor of the Catholic church and it is his views that were held by the majority and for the majority of the Church's history. St. Thomas holds that God gives sufficient grace for all to be saved but efficacious grace to the elect unto glory. God loves some more than others as He predestines them to glory and passes over the reprobate leaving them in their sins.


God does not command the impossible: sufficient grace for salvation is given to everyone, though most people do not respond to it. Therefore, in the words of the Council of Quiercy: "That certain persons are saved, is the gift of Him who saves; but that certain persons are lost, is the fault of those who are lost." (p. 202)



Predestination is before and not contingent upon foreseen merits (p.84). In other words, God is not a passive spectator, but the reason and cause of our predestination.
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Postby JasonPratt » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:56 am

I copied that post, and ported the subsequent discussions, to your recent What Is A True Calvinist? thread, Cole.
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Postby Cole H. » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:34 pm

Thanks Jason!

Just started again the Christian psychologist's (Richard Beck) book called "The Slavery Of Death". I never read the whole thing through before but he has some very good points in it. He takes the Eastern Orthodox interpretation of the scriptures that say the fear of death causes sin. According to Beck it's these fears of death that lead to most of the sin in ones life. I would agree but just add that it's not only the fear of death but the fear of the future. But death is future so I would agree. I know this from my own experiences in being set free at times from the major sins or seven deadly sins. The A.A. book called "The Twelve Steps And Twelve Traditions" also teaches that the seven deadly sins are rooted and grounded in fear. The book is fantastic so far and I can't wait to get more into this. :D
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Postby Paidion » Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:38 pm

Catherine wrote:I'm reading 'The Inescapable Love of God' Second Edition. So far it's bloomin marvellous


How does it differ from the First Edition?
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Postby JasonPratt » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:25 am

I've read most of the 2nd edition now, but it's been too long since I read the first -- I get the feeling there's more discussion of various things, mostly on the philosophical side (as before), but I can't point directly to differences. I know what Tom says in his introduction he changed:

Tom from his 2nd Edition Preface wrote:In addition to minor stylistic changes throughout and a host of new footnotes, major revisions include:

• An additional chapter entitled "Predestination unto Glory", which is now chapter 12 of this revised edition;

• Four new sections in previous existing chapters: [Rich Man and Lazarus; Concerning the Evidential Argument on evil; The Lake of Fire and the Outer Darkness; and further reflections on the Problem of Evil]

• Substantially updated arguments [in chapters 4,5,6,10,11,13 -- 13 being previously 12]

Updated arguments include, among other things, a response to Douglas J. Moo's rather fantastic effort to explain away Paul's use of "all" in Romans 5:18 and elsewhere, a further response to his fallacious inference that "the deliberately worded v.17 [of Rom 5]... makes it clear that only certain people derive the benefits from Christ's act of righteousness", a response to Anthony C. Thiselton on the correct translation of 1 Cor 15:24 and its relevance to the universalism of verses 20-28, and a response to Michael Murray's quandary about the purpose of an earthly life on the assumption that universalism is true.


Now that I think of it, the change most apparent to me is also the most personally annoying! :lol: I jumped hard on Dr. McClymond several months ago for grossly misreading Dr. Talbott's original book to make it seem to say that Tom had said hell is an alternate plan to the cross, when Dr. T had made it abundantly and explicitly clear in just those same pages that there is no alternate plan to the cross. Tom himself agreed I had correctly read the details there, and Dr. McCly had straight-up omitted relevant details which showed Dr. T doing exactly the opposite of what Dr. McCly charged.

Then I got to a similar place in the 2nd edition... and now Dr. T explicitly says hell is an alternate plan to the cross!!! :x :x :x :x

Dr. Talbott, page 100-101 wrote: God has a two-fold strategy, I want to suggest, for accomplishing this end [destroying all sin]. On the one hand, he sent his Son in the flesh to defeat, in some unexplained mystical way, the powers of darkness and to pioneer the way of salvation (see Heb 2:10) -- a way of repentance, forgiveness, and personal sacrifice. On the other hand, for those who refuse to step into his ordained system of repentance, forgiveness, and personal sacrifice, he has an alternative strategy: in their estrangement from God, they will experience his love as a consuming fire; that is, as wrath, as punishment, and, in the end, as a means of correction. So in that sense, they will literally pay for their sin; and God will never -- not in this age and not in the age to come -- forgive (or set aside) the final payment they owe, which is voluntarily to step inside the ordained system of repentance, forgiveness, and personal sacrifice.


Now, Dr. T does kind of end up saying the same thing -- hell isn't really plan B to the cross, but an alternate way of getting people to the cross -- but his wording before then is going to cause problems. Whereas the original wording was much clearer about this NOT being an alternative strategy distinct from the cross.


Incidentally, since my complaint there brings up the topic, I had been sure from things he has written since the 1st edition that he'd be going for a much more ultra-u-ish theology where God just heals and reveals, through the resurrection, all the various problems which lead people to sin against God (beyond just having wrong ideas about Him), after which we could fully expect everyone to make the rational choice to repent of their sins and accept Christ etc. without God having to directly punish anyone (even if the healing process was briefly somewhat inconvenient perhaps).

If anyone else was expecting or hoping that -- well, he does still have some things to say along that line, but if anything this edition seems more purgatorial (in a directly punitive sense) than the previous edition. I was naturally pleased of course, being a purga-u myself, but surprised; and I figure I ought to warn anyone hoping for a more ultra-universalistic argument that they may be disappointed with this edition at least on that topic.
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Postby Nick Baker » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:13 pm

The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi is a pretty good book. Can't say I agree with everything in it though. Anyone heard of it?
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Postby JasonPratt » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:35 pm

I can ask some women if they've ever heard of a rational male, but I'm irrationally sure I already know the answer. ;)
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Postby SusanStoHelit » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:59 am

Never heard of it, Nick. Is it a recent book?

I'm reading "Faith without Illusions: following Jesus as a cynic-saint" by Andrew Byers.
Very good so far although he repeatedly misuses the word gauntlet in the introduction, in a way that had the pedant in me writhing. I would definitely recommend it to anyone feeling disillusioned with modern Christianity - with the proviso that I'm only halfway through!

Also finally got a paperback copy of Hope Beyond Hell :D - so much better than the e-reader version, I just cannot get to grips with those for non-fiction.

And in the non-religious category: Just finished "American Gods" (Neil Gaiman, fiction, really quite strange but well-written), halfway through "The Connected Child" (Karyn Purvis, so far so good) and I'm about to start something by Bill Bryson involving 1927, the title of which escapes me.
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:27 am

I like to sometimes relax with a comic book or one of the supermarket tabloids. Does this count as good literature?
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Postby Nick Baker » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:10 pm

Randy,
Ha ha, I guess so. What comic is your favorite? Mine is Pearls Before Swine.

Susan,
the book came out in 2013. As a precaution, I would warn women it's probably a wee bit incendiary.

I can't wait to read American Gods. I heard it is very interesting and brings a lot of ancient mythology into modern American culture, right?
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:59 pm

Randy,
Ha ha, I guess so. What comic is your favorite? Mine is Pearls Before Swine.

I like Marvel and DC superheroes, like Spiderman, Superman/Batman and Justice League. I can't think of a favorite.
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Postby DaveB » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:53 pm

"A Paradigm Theory of Existence" (Onto-Theology Vindicated), by Bill Villacella.

Clear, structured and sustained reasoning. It is very hard to write at this level, but MavPhil (B.V) has the chops and more. I've girded my loins and may still be found wanting in trying to fully understand this work.

Needless to say, this is great fun, and a welcome challenge.
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:07 pm

I just got What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Qur'an by Christian writer James R. White, through my local public library.
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Postby SusanStoHelit » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:43 am

Nick, American Gods is definitely very interesting and thought-provoking as long as you don't mind things being a bit dark. Yes, ancient (and modern) mythology in modern-ish America. Would love to hear what you thought when you've had chance to read it - it's a massive book though, takes a while to get through! My copy came with discussion questions in the back, bizarrely!
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Postby Jonny95 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:38 pm

I realised I'd never read Mere Christianity so I've just started it :D
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Postby Cindy Skillman » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:32 pm

@SusanStoHelit said:
Very good so far although he repeatedly misuses the word gauntlet in the introduction, in a way that had the pedant in me writhing.


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Postby SusanStoHelit » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:14 pm

Haha @Cindy Skillman, exactly!
But I'm more than halfway through now and it really is very helpful, so if any of you feel cynically-inclined I recommend it.
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Postby Cole H. » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:23 pm

I'm reading "Niacin: The Real Story" and it has some interesting information in it about people with the schizophrenic gene. The authors include schizoaffective in the category of schizophrenic so this would apply to me as well. It's referring to those who have the gene but have gotten better or who aren't in a state of psychoses or mood disorder:

Psychologically, schizophrenics are more creative and enterprising than the nonschizophrenic population. They tend to see relationships in the world that the rest of us do not see. The psychedelic drug LSD experience has a similar effect. Many years ago we studied the psychedelic reaction as a way of enhancing creativity. Many brilliant writers, poets, artists, and even Nobel Laureates had these good genes. page 29


The authors of the book have worked with those who are schizophrenic and schizoaffective. They are:

Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.

Andrew W. Saul, Ph.D

Harold D. Foster, Ph.D.


Thanks to @Cindy Skillman for telling me about this book. It has some valuable information in it that has helped me in so many ways! :D
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Postby Cindy Skillman » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:33 pm

I'm glad, Cole. :)
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Postby Cole H. » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:24 pm

Just got me a copy of the late Dallas Willard's new book "The Allure Of Gentleness". It's about defending and presenting the faith with the fruit of gentleness. Here's a few blurbs:


I grew up in a Christian culture in which 'defending the faith' was carried out by using the Bible as a weapon. Anyone who challenged my faith was treated as an enemy. As an adult I discovered Dallas Willard. Unfailingly gentle and respectful, he transformed the apologetics of my generation as many of us 'laid down our swords and shields.' - Eugene Peterson



I have never seen a book remotely like this. It was Willard's habit to take an issue and cast it in a light that no one had thought of before; time after time, he does this here with key apologetical issues. And because he places apologetics against the backdrop of pastoral care, it makes it a practice everyone who loves people should master. This is essential reading - J.P. Moreland



Dr. Dallas Willard was professor at the University of Southern California's School of Philosophy until his death in 2013. His groundbreaking books "The Divine Conspiracy", "The Great Omission", "Knowing Christ Today", "Hearing God", "The Spirit of the Disciplines", "Renovation of the Heart", and "The Divine Conspiracy Continued" forever changed the way thousands of Christians experience their faith.



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Postby Cole H. » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:11 pm

Fascinating! I was just at the Baptist Seminary bookstore and found an excellent book. I say excellent but I haven't read it all yet. It is however something that I have pursued for years and now have an up to date argument that was first developed by C.S. Lewis on joy. It's called "The Apologetics of Joy: A Case for the Existence of God from C.S. Lewis's Argument from Desire". Here's what is says on the back:


Among all the arguments for the existence of God there may be none more personal and intimate than C.S. Lewis's Argument from Desire. This book attempts to explain what the Argument from Desire is and why we believe that the argument is an inductively strong one.

In the spirit of C.S. Lewis, Augustine, and Pascal, this book invites both the head and the heart of the reader to consider the case for God's existence. While many arguments look out to the external world for evidence of God's existence, this book calls the reader to look inward to the human heart. While learning from classical thinkers the Argument from Desire will bring both intuition and experience together to demonstrate the truth of divine presence in the world.



This is a unique piece of scholarship, the only book I know of that is wholly devoted to the most interesting argument in the world. It is clear and persuasive, and I strongly recommend it - Peter Kreeft
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Postby Cloud9 » Thu May 07, 2015 4:57 am

I am about to re read Virkler's Four Keys To Hearing God's Voice.

I once read a meditation from this book and had a powerful supernatural experience that I am still trying to understand.

In the past I've read a lot of books looking for proofs about God though I already knew He existed.

A short list of some of them:

The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel

The God Gene, Dean Hamer M.D.

The Language of God, Francis M. Collins the former head of the Human Genome Project

Anatomy of the Soul by Curt Thompson, M.D.

A More Excellent Way, Henry Wright

The Apologetics of Jesus by Geisler and Zukeran

Jews, God and History by Max Dimont

My Utmost for His Highest, Oswalld Chambers

How to be Born Again, Billy Graham

Spurgeon on the Holy Spirit, Charles Spurgeon

The Pursit of God, A.W. Tozer

The Christian's Secret to A Happy Life, Hannah Whitall Smith

Everything written by Stephen E. Jones on his God's Kingdom Ministries.net site.

Absolute Surrender, Andrew Murray

The Practice of the Presence of God, Brother Lawrence
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Postby Cloud9 » Thu May 07, 2015 1:59 pm

Easy to read by bible teacher, Dr. Stephen E. Jones


Lessons From Church History, Volume 1

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Lessons From Church History, Volumes 2 - 4

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