Paidion wrote:Why did the prophet lie to the man of God?
Paidion wrote:Yet he seemed to truly respect the man of God since he wished to be buried with him, and declared that the man's prophecy from Yahweh, would surely come to pass.
Paidion wrote:Was the lying prophet punished, or even rebuked for his deception? There is nothing in the record that suggests so.
Paidion wrote:Is obeying minor commands such as He gave the man of God, more important to Yahweh than refraining from lying or deception?
LLC wrote:Obviously, the old prophet's prophecy came true, so I wouldn't say that he was a false prophet.
Jason, you wrote:...didn't even say it was the angel or presence of YHWH himself but only an angel.
Paidion wrote: But it seems to me that Moses had a big job trying to lead those many Israelites, some of whom were causing problems. So he came up with ideas as to how to control them, and then thought that God had planted those ideas in his mind, and thus affirmed that God had given these commands.
Eaglesway wrote:Logic is a funny thing. if I am right it is because I am logical. if you are wrong - it is because you are illogical and vice versa. The smugness with which people assert that their logic exceeds the testimony of the scriptures always entertains me. You dont often have to look too far to find a resolution that is logical within the testimony of the scriptures, for instance.
Paidon, you're comments about Moses are hilarious, even if they do make a total mockery of the scriptures. I mean, how can anyone read the tone of the scriptures and the attitude with which the things said within them are presented, and come up with a reality such as the one you present, and then later on quote scripture as if it has any authority at all. it is a snake chasing its tale. Your argument about Moses defeats any other argument you make citing scripture as authority.
Eaglesway wrote:As I said before, I am not a hardliner about inerrancy, but saying that Moses was making it up as he went along governing those rowdy hebrews is just too much for me.
Jesus never represents Moses or the law in any such lesser light.
Paidion wrote:Jesus never represents Moses or the law in any such lesser light.
Have you ever noticed that Jesus never represents the Father as having killed anyone or commanded his people to fight or destroy other nations?
Rather He describes Him as kind both to ungrateful and to evil people, and states that if his hearers do the same they will show themselves to be sons of the Most High (Luke 6:35)
Jesus was Another divine Individual EXACTLY like his Father. He was the exact imprint of the Father's essence (Heb 1:3). He said, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." Yet Jesus never ordered his disciples to kill anyone or to participate in war against an enemy, to punish rebellious children by stoning them to death, or to cut of women's hands for particular offenses, as Moses claimed God did. Why not if He is exactly like the Father?
According to Moses, God presumably told the Israelites to stone to death adulterous people. An adulterous woman was brought to Jesus by the Pharisees who then asked Him, "Moses commanded that such a one be stoned, what do you say?" If Jesus had followed the laws of Moses, He would have said, "The law is clear. She must be stoned," and probably would have cast the first stone Himself. But instead He shamed the Pharisees into going away without another word. Then He told the woman that He didn't condemn her. He simply told her to go on her way and to stop sinning.
LLC wrote:In Deuteronomy 5:1-22, the laws that Moses was originally given were the ten commandments. Verse 22 goes on to say that "These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more." Again, in Deuteronomy 10:12-22,the essence of the law is stated. These are the same as what Jesus spoke of. I would say that over time, man began adding to this. Some of the things added may not have even been from Moses, or they could have been misinterpretations of things that Moses had said. Who knows? For example, Leviticus 11:13 says " And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle,the vulture, the buzzard." I think this has a spiritual meaning to it. However, many foods were banned from being eaten. This may have come from the fact that eating such things was not healthy, but I don't doubt that some food laws came about through misinterpretation. Another example might be circumcision. Did God really require this? As Paidion pointed out about the laws of Connecticut, we see how things can be twisted into something other than what was originally intended. The Constitution and the laws of this country are also a prime example of how all of this occurs. It starts out simple and ends up to be so complex one cannot even move without breaking some law or another and often unknowingly. I don't think anyone can possibly fulfill all of the thousands upon thousands of laws we have on the books today. I believe this is one of the reasons Jesus came to earth, to separate God's laws from man's laws and bring them back to what they originally were in the beginning.
On another note, I see what Eaglesway is saying. I think there do come times when our sins "pile up to heaven". These are judgment times when this law of God must be fulfilled: Deuteronomy 30:17-18 "But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, I announce to you today that you shall surely perish." We do have a right to protect ourselves against evilness and to bring to justice those who commit evil acts.Jesus says in Luke 22:36 "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
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