The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

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The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby Dani » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:57 am

Hello,
I wanted to ask you if there is a list of the "ECFs`" (especially from the first 3 centuries)
understanding of hell?
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby JasonPratt » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:07 am

There is, but it costs nearly four hundred dollars. ;)

A much cheaper (free) but less detailed version is Beecher's study from back in the 1800s. I'll append it below as a pdf.
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby Paidion » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:57 am

One can find many quotes of the early fathers speaking of "everlasting punishment," but this doesn't prove what they believed, since the translation "everlasting" is obtained from their use of the word "aionios" which has already been established as not having that meaning. I think the translation "lasting" fits each and every occasion of its use.
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby Dani » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:59 am

Thank you very much.
Blessings
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby JasonPratt » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:10 am

Paidion,

Plus the "doctrine of reserve" adds suspicion about what they may have actually believed, especially if they used typical universalistic arguments for various purposes and if they expressed favor for the doctrine of reserve.

That's a doctrine, Dani, where teachers who believe more complicated things teach less detailed or even outright incorrect things to people whom the teachers don't think are ready to learn the proper truths. Pre-Christian philosophers routinely applied this idea, and recommended it, and Christian philosophers, especially universalists, were known to pick up and use it. The idea is that teaching universal salvation to most people would only result in them conveniently misunderstanding that they could do whatever they wanted and get into heaven anyway. (Which ironically is how most opponents to universalism also misunderstand it, too. ;) )
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby Dani » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:29 am

Jason,
I read about it: That they did not tell people about it in order to keep them away from sinning.
Sometimes I am just wondering if that was the right wayto handel the sinning-prblem , I mean didn't the doctrin of ecp cause divisions within the church and many painful experiences and dispair in believers or dissapointment and giving up on trusting in the God how is LOVE?
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby corpselight » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:48 am

Dani wrote:Jason,
I read about it: That they did not tell people about it in order to keep them away from sinning.
Sometimes I am just wondering if that was the right wayto handel the sinning-prblem , I mean didn't the doctrin of ecp cause divisions within the church and many painful experiences and dispair in believers or dissapointment and giving up on trusting in the God how is LOVE?
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Excellent points! I guess the answer is that we all make mistakes :( Doubtless if they could have known the consequences, they'd have been less worried about people taking advantage
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby WiseOldLlamaMan » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:20 am

Any way you could post the $400 book? My library may have a copy.
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

Postby Paidion » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:37 pm

You can read the first 78 pages of The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis by Ilaria Ramelli without cost, by going to this Google Books site, and clicking the right arrow at the top of the page. The preview does not show pages 79-889.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=YfGZAAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Re: The "Early Church Fathers" on hell

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