The Evangelical Universalist Forum

1 John 4:20

Because Got Questions ** officially** presents themselves as non-denominational. But as STT and some Christian blog posters point out, they are really promoting Calvinism as favorable. Or they really answer Biblical questions, as a Calvinist would.

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True, there is not a Greek word in the text for “himself,” but don’t you think it is justified to insert the word in a translation?
When it is omitted, it doesn’t make sense in English, for WHAT did he continue entrusting or delivering or committing to God? There must be SOMETHING!

The majority of translations insert “himself.” However Philips and Murdoch have “committed his cause.” Williams had “committed his case.”
WNT has “delivered all into the keeping.” The only translation of which I am aware that does not add ANY word, is the RSV. It simply has, “he trusted to him who judges justly.” But again WHAT did he trust or entrust to him who judges justly? It cannot be translated “trusted IN the one” for the Greek word “the” that follows is in the dative case. It has to be “to.”

The passage is saying that Christ trusted in the Father’s judgment. He left the decision in the hands of God for when he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten. This makes sense for Paul tells us in Romans:

This is taken from the OT

as it is written, The just shall live by faith. ~~ Roman’s 1:17

Paidion,

He left the decision of judgment to God. He entrusted to Him who judges justly. He left room for God’s wrath for vengeance belongs to God. He had confidence in God’s judgment.

I explained in my previous post that the grammar does not permit this, and why.

Paidion,

That’s why I restated it this way:

He left the decision of judgment to God. He entrusted to Him who judges justly. He left room for God’s wrath for vengeance belongs to God. He had confidence in God’s judgment.

If anybody is interested I got my idea of hell from “The Case For Faith” where the philosopher Dr. J.P. Moreland shows hell to be a quarantine. I did use my own words of perfect love and perfect justice from the Bible though and how God is a protector when we are under His wings. It’s all through the Bible and J.P. Moreland’s philosophical defense has been around for quite some time.

I’m out!

It’s also in my Ignatius Catholic Study Bible in the note on Rev. 22:15

Just had to make that clear in case anyone was wondering where it came from. I didn’t dream it up.

I’m out!

Michael, when you said “I’m out” I thought you were referring to that other thread on hell.
You’re sticking around on these other threads, though, right?

No, I’ll drop in and read some but I don’t have anything else to say. I’ll still read though.

One last thing. When we enter into the state of perfect love in perfect heaven we are completely delivered. God protects us under His wings forever and ever. In the perfect creation there is perfect love and perfect justice. We are made perfect in love and perfect love casts out fear.

2Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful. He will establish you and guard you against the evil one.

Daniel 12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

Psalm 91:1-3 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the LORD, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.

2Samuel 22:3-4 my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; you save me from violence. I call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised, and I am saved from my enemies.

Psalms 91 You who live in the shelter of the Most High, who spend your nights in the shadow of the Almighty, who say to the LORD, “My refuge! My fortress! My God, in whom I trust!” – He will rescue you from the trap of the hunter, and from the plague of disease. He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings you will find refuge; His truth is a shield and a protection.

See ya qaz! Hang in there!

qaz,

I need to add that this view of hell isn’t a torture chamber. Those who have their hearts separated from God’s mercy have hardened hearts. As a result the longer in hell the more evil and God hating they become. It also follows that because their hearts get harder over time the less and less aware they will be of how terrible their condition is in hell. For those in eternal bliss the condition is indeed terrible. But not for those in hell. There is misery but it’s like the creature Gollum in the movie “The Lord of the Rings”. The longer he has the ring the more corrupt he becomes and the harder it is to let go of the ring. But there is no torture there. In other words the wicked become accustomed and use to the living conditions in hell. But they do gnash their teeth in anger at God and His children at times. Those in heaven are angels. Those in hell are devils.

Take care!

No it’s not. I wrote that by hand and memory. It comes from the philosopher C. Steven Evans. No copy and paste though.

The proper protocol is to put any citations in quotes and add the author’s name and web link. Paraphrasing is considered plagiarism. Just an observation. :exclamation:

I got the idea from him. I wrote it from my memory. No paraphrase or copying.

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Philosophy of Religion: Thinking about Faith by C. Stephen Evans & R Zachary Manis

No it’s not qaz. I have it memorized.

And perfect love and justice always protect from evil. Google police and protection and justice you will see. St. Michael is the patron St. of police officers and the military. Also

I’m leaving now.