A Christian Response To North Korea

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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:55 pm

Well, if:

    You don't want war with North Korea
    And you don't want a diplomatic solution, by having Dennis Rodman - as US ambassador to North Korea

Why not pay someone, to take him out? And "take him out", doesn't mean - to invite him for lunch :!: Or perhaps the CIA, is already trying - to implement that plan :!: :lol:

Here's what the CIA had to say, when asked about this. :lol:

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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby DaveB » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:16 pm

My contacts in the Deep State are being mum also...
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:23 pm

From Putin warns of planetary catastrophe:
Vladimir Putin, has warned that the escalating North Korean crisis could cause a “planetary catastrophe” and huge loss of life, and described US proposals for further sanctions on Pyongyang as “useless”… he told reporters in China. …”There is no other way to solve the North Korean nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue.

Peaceful dialogue? No further sanctions?
China accounted for 92% of North Korea’s trade in 2016, according to South Korea’s government. …But China is likely to block any measure that could cause instability and topple the regime of Kim Jong-un, sparking a refugee crisis and potentially allowing tens of thousands of South Korean and US troops to move north as far as the Chinese border.

What, then? Sanctions against China? Try to force China into submission about their vital role in bringing North Korea into submission?

Well, perhaps sanctions on China next…might be better than war with NK next; yet many insist that the longer Trump delays taking a military solution, the more dangerous North Korea is allowed to become. For example, an argument for urgent military action goes: “perhaps NK is not capable of an EMP strike against the USA today, but next month, or next year, they will be.”

As to assassinating the primary leader of NK: would that avert war? Is it even “surgically” feasible?

This crisis is a conundrum for “armchair generals” everywhere.

But, questions:

-Does God know what needs to happen in order to avert war, and even to peacefully reunite the two Koreas?

-Is God willing and able to communicate clearly with people about such information?

-If so, do we have the willingness and spiritual ability to hear Him?

Again, I would argue the real battle is against demonic powers in heavenly places; that God is nonviolent; and that the solution is spiritual: that is, the divine keys must be received, and exercised, through prayer.

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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Origen; » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:36 pm

Hermano asked: "So, what can we Christians do to improve the situation?"

1 exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Origen; » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:58 pm

Are all called to be intercessors?

1 Cor.12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:37 pm

From Fox News today, North Korea says strike on US is 'inevitable' as Pentagon flies bombers off coast:
North Korea's foreign minister called U.S. President Donald Trump "a mentally deranged person full of megalomania" and promised a strike on the American mainland was "inevitable" in a blistering speech to the United Nations General Assembly Saturday.

…North Korea has said it intends to build a missile capable of striking all parts of the United States with a nuclear bomb. Trump has said he won't allow it, although the U.S. so far has not used military force to impede the North's progress.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby DaveB » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:54 pm

We made a big mistake with Iran imo; Obama had no clue how to deal with strong Iranian leadership, and Hilary was too busy selling a large percentage of our Uranium rights to Russia. Gosh, wonder where that money went? :evil:

As we 'negotiated' with the Iranians, they continued building up their arsenal. Of course they did: they recognized the stupidity of American 'leadership' and simply took advantage of it.

The NK's learned from that - so did everyone else - and, I suppose, would be happy to negotiate till the end of time or until they had built enough H-bombs to do some real damage. But Trump is not Obama or Hilary; he is tougher and just as smart, and I for one am not afraid that he is trigger-happy, though the Aussie newspapers relish calling him that.

I'm very happy not to have Trump's job. If we wait for NK to do something really damaging before we take action, then we will be accused of waiting too long. If we make a first, surgical strike to eliminate their launch abilities, we will be accused of starting a war.

If Trump can continue to press China toward blockades and embargos, maybe the world does have a chance of avoiding an NK disaster; then we can deal with Iran?

Looks a little bleak to me.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby steve7150 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:21 pm

We made a big mistake with Iran imo; Obama had no clue how to deal with strong Iranian leadership,






Or maybe Obama did know what he was doing? :twisted:
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:11 am

steve7150 wrote:We made a big mistake with Iran imo; Obama had no clue how to deal with strong Iranian leadership,



Or maybe Obama did know what he was doing? :twisted:


Well, at least with the Nuclear deal - he didn't act alone. You have others to blame, if you don't like the deal:(From Wiki)

The Iran nuclear deal framework was a preliminary framework agreement reached in 2015 between the Islamic Republic of Iran and a group of world powers: the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European .


I'm sure all this "right wing" blaming the '"left wing" - and vice versa...Will be what triggers the zombie apocalypse (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_apocalypse) :o :shock: :cry: :x

Perhaps this can all be avoided, by this story I've shared on Twitter today.


Here are the questions the article asks:
1. WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE?
2. DO WE REALLY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THIS?
3. WHY NOW?


And the zombie apocalypse would be much worse than anything North Korea, ISIS or Iran - could throw our way. Just watch programs like Fear the Walking Dead (on tonight on AMC), The Walking Dead or Z Nation - for previews of our world to come. Or even the current Stephen King movie It. :o :shock:

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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby LLC » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:04 pm

Hermano wrote:From “Putin warns of planetary catastrophe”:


Vladimir Putin, has warned that the escalating North Korean crisis could cause a “planetary catastrophe” and huge loss of life, and described US proposals for further sanctions on Pyongyang as “useless”… he told reporters in China. …”There is no other way to solve the North Korean nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue.”


Hermano , the Bible says this:
Jer. 23:17 "They keep saying to those that despise Me, 'The Lord has said you will have peace'; and as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart, they say 'Calamity will not come upon you'."
Jer.14:13 "The(false) prophets are telling them, 'You will not see the sword nor will you have famine but I will give you lasting peace in this place'."
Jer. 8:11 "They heal the brokenness of the daughter of My people superficially, saying peace, peace, but there is no peace."
Hosea 9:7 "The days of punishment have come, the days of retribution have come; let Israel know this. The inspired man is demented, because of the grossness of your iniquity and because your hostility is so great."
Ez. 7:25 "When anguish comes, they will seek peace, but there will be none."
1 Thess. 5:3 "While people are saying peace and security, destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."

No one wants war, but sometimes it is unavoidable. I don't think we can talk peace with a man who is on a power trip and bent on destruction.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:02 pm

From today's Fox News article, "Trump: Talking to Kim Jong Un a waste, 'will do what needs to be done'":
President Trump on Sunday sounded a war drum over North Korean leader Kim Jong Un refusing to abandon his nuclear weapons program, telling Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to stop wasting time negotiating with Kim because the U.S. “will do what needs to be done.”

“I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man,” tweeted Trump, using his mocking nickname for Kim. “Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!"
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby DaveB » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:29 pm

Good for Trump; that's encouraging.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:48 am

We also have pressing problems - here at home. Heres what I've shared on Twitter today:


This is not advocating some left wing, gun control - on my part. Just the opposite. I'm all for how guns were openly carried, in the wild west.

Just a footnote here. Folks at the country sheriff's level, don't normally deal with mass murders. They will (and are obtaining help), from other police agencies, the state highway patrol, the ATF and the FBI.

It will take some time, to review all the camera footage.

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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:57 pm

From Fox News today:

Air Force could recall up to 1,000 retired pilots after Trump order

I should mention that the recall would be obligatory, and that the oldest USAF fighter pilot I knew was 36 years old when he was ordered to a desk job—so we are talking about “retired” military pilots who are still in their 30s, and now hold other positions.

(Although I suppose they could be older than that if they were used to remotely pilot unmanned aircraft...)
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Origen; » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:03 pm

RW Schambach (@ Benny Hinn's OCC) on rulers being nothing but God's puppets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDkuMe257A
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:00 pm

Could it be that the annual U.S.-South Korea joint exercise war games…are not actually being planned as “games” this year?

From the Wall Street Journal last month:

Vigilant Ace 18 drills, to be held Dec. 4 to Dec. 8, will involve thousands of troops, 230 aircraft

God is love. Let us remember the keys to the kingdom which Jesus offers us:

    Matthew 16:19 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    19 I will give you the keys (authority) of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth will have [already] been loosed in heaven.

Very relevant to our role in prayer concerning the terrible situation with North Korea, Richard Murray says in his book, God vs. Evil:
The original Greek of Matthew 18:18 and 16:19 both clearly say that we have the authority to bind on Earth that which is already bound in Heaven. Interlinear translations agree that these verses convey the idea that, “whatever you might bind on the Earth will be, having been bound in the Heavens already.”

This is why Jesus used the Greek imperative mood when teaching us “how to pray” in Luke 11:1-4. The imperative mood doesn’t ask, beg or cajole God. The imperative mood orders reality to conform to God’s already established will. Jesus isn’t asking God the Father to deliver us from evil in this passage. Jesus is ordering all reality to be conformed to His Father’s always already complete deliverance from evil. Consider John 15:7 which states, “If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.” The Greek word translated as “ask” in this passage is defined in Strong’s Concordance at 154 and 4441 as “strictly a demand of something due.”

In other words, the imperative mood merely orders our immediate sphere of influence to conform to the already completed work of the Cross. We don’t pray toward God to complete His promises. Rather we pray from God’s already established and completed work. Our prayer is a form of worship and release where we say yes and amen to all the promises of God which have already been fully performed by our magnificent Savior. Beloved, God has already rested from all of His works of deliverance, and so must we. “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.” Heb. 4:9-11.

Do you see this magnificent reality of God’s salvation? Always already. Always already. God’s salvation is always already. This view of God changes everything. No longer is prayer seen as a laborious effort to get God to act or “change His mind.” Prayer is now seen not as a way to change God’s will, but rather as a way of implementing God’s will - - His “always already” will to all goodness. Worship is not based on what God might do someday, but rather true worship rejoices in what God has already fully accomplished. All we need do is to rest in the completed work of the Cross. Sure, there will be suffering. Sure, there will be temptation. Sure, there will be persecution. Sure, there will be occasional stumbles and a few set-backs. But in all these things, we are more than conquerors because Jesus has always already pre-conquered all these problems. Blaming God for allowing these problems is like blaming the fireman who pulls you out of a fire for starting the fire itself. God didn’t start the fire - - we did. God gave His own blood to rescue us from the fire of sin with which we have burned ourselves.

The blood of Jesus is much mentioned and much preached. But, one crucial aspect of the blood is neglected - - it was shed two thousand years ago. It is a past accomplished fact that Jesus’ blood once and forever disallows and cleanses all evil within us and outside us. Like the shining star at night mentioned previously, Jesus’ blood shines from two thousand years ago to “now.” While many today still close their eyes to this light, thus blocking God’s disallowance of evil, the body of Christ must learn to keep its eyes open to the “always already” kingdom of light. The major way we keep the eyes of our hearts open is to not err as a beloved brother-in-Christ by letting ourselves or anyone else say that God allows evil and that anything other than good and perfection ever comes from Him (Jas. 1:13,16). Those who continue to err by believing that God does allow evil are infected with wrong thinking. This Infection is the leading cause of unbelief today. I call this illness the Isaiah 5:20 Infection. It will be explored in the next chapter.

May the two Koreas be peacefully reunited soon, with religious and economic liberty for all.

Blessings.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby DaveB » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:22 pm

[quote= via "Hermano"] It is a past accomplished fact that Jesus’ blood once and forever disallows and cleanses all evil within us and outside us.[/quote]

I thought your post was fine, but I do not understand that sentence.
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Re: A Christian Response To North Korea

Postby Hermano » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:53 pm

DaveB wrote:"It is a past accomplished fact that Jesus’ blood once and forever disallows and cleanses all evil within us and outside us."

I thought your post was fine, but I do not understand that sentence.

Dave, as to the composition of that specific sentence of Murray's, I can’t say for sure. God doesn’t allow evil, in that He has already disallowed all evil through the victory of the cross, through the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. And so the gist of effective prayer is: more binding and more loosing; less petitioning, and instead, more thanksgiving for, and imperative proclamation of, the promises of God.

Regarding the NK situation, we must be careful to distinguish between nationalism and Christianity, between physical militancy and spiritual militancy. We need more binding and casting out of lying spirits of death and destruction, and more loosing of divine blessings, of angelic protection, and of the proclamation of the gospel of peace.
Hebrews 2:3, 8 (NKJV)
3 How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

8 "You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”

For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.

Regarding these verses, Murray also writes in God vs. Evil,
This passage is clear that all things have already been put under Jesus, but we don’t yet see them put under Jesus. The reason? Because of our individual and corporate “neglect” of “so great a salvation.” Both Satan and Evil have no gasoline left in their tank because Jesus drained it all away at the Cross. They are functioning today solely off of the fumes of our neglect of Jesus’ great salvation. What makes this salvation so great is its “always already” aspect.
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