Paidion wrote:And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
If this is what Jesus said, why is it that his disciples did not obey? In each of the four instances recorded in the book of Acts, people were baptized or instructed to be baptized in the name of Jesus only:
Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness [or "forsaking"] of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
Acts 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Steve 7150, you wrote:So you say that the earliest manuscript available is from 300AD now that has these words? Is it that earlier manuscripts simply don't have this entire expression? Is it blank?
Acts 8:14-17 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
I might add… as a non-Trinitarian, the whole thing is a bit of a non-issue.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
According to the German historian, Ethelbert Stauffer, the religious principle of the Roman Empire, from the days of Augustus on, was salvation by Caesar: “Salvation is to be found in none other save Augustus, and there is no other name given to men in which they can be saved.”
This helps us to understand the boldness of St. Peter, and the total power he declared rested in Christ, when he said of Jesus Christ, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8:58)
Paidion wrote:I was merely indicating that by saying, "Before Abraham was, I am," Jesus affirmed that He existed before Abraham.
Paidion wrote:I was responding to Davo's statement that Moses was God in relation to Pharoah,…
Paidion wrote:…and that Augustus was God of the Roman Empire, and Davo's suggestion that Jesus was God merely in the sense of being God's man.
Davo wrote:Paidion wrote:I was merely indicating that by saying, "Before Abraham was, I am," Jesus affirmed that He existed before Abraham.
THAT is simply your logic *affirming* what you want to believe. I think Dave’s quote is closer to the mark, i.e.,
“In his statement Jesus was expressing his pre-eminence over Abraham in the plan of God.”
DaveB wrote:2. Thomas recognized Jesus as the Father's true expression of what He Himself is like.
I opt for number 2.
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