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Three perspectives on why man is God’s master

I just had a very interesting throught. Suppose Gnostic Bishop is the last one to post, before they finally shut this forum down. :open_mouth:

Just that they are God’s master and not vice versa.

On how that salvation is achieved. Christians have to buy into the notion that substitutionary atonement is somehow good justice.

It is not but they cannot pass up their get out of hell free card and so buy into that immoral and unjust policy.

IOW, they sell their souls to Satan in the hope of getting into their imaginary heaven.

That immoral double standard is what I often debate against. This Bishop says that that policy is what will kill Christianity and he may be right as that policy is demonstrably immoral.

youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9g … gest-vrecs

Regards
DL

If God is okay with it then it is good justice. He let the waves of wrath crash over Him, doing in time and space what He is always doing, that is forgiving. He bears the cost of forgiveness. That is the God with whom we deal with.

I also think God gave everyone, a sense of humor. To awaken it a bit, I share today’s humor,from the Sunil Bali blog at sunilbali.com/blog/:

Hilarious, because I had the same exact thought when he posted this a few days ago… What a way for a cached site to be remembered!!! Haha!

Yahweh is also good with genocide and the torture and murder of innocent babies and children.

Only those with satanic morals will follow such a God.

I see that you do not follow scriptures.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You are holding fast to evil.

Regards
DL

Like most atheists, DL (and sadly, like many theists), you have no idea of how classic theology conceives of God. God doesn’t dwell in eternity. God IS eternity. God isn’t the one we hope to live with in “heaven.” God IS heaven, and God cannot be any more present in one place than He is in any other place–because God is fully present everywhere, seeing as He IS the everywhere. God is the one in whom we and everyone and everything live and move and have our being. If you understand this fully, then the thing you understand is not God. When Moses asked the name of God, God said, I AM. He meant it. You seem to think that the God in whom we believe is like Thor or Pluto or Athena. Those “gods,” if they existed, are creatures of the cosmos. The real and true God is the fundamental fact beside whom there is no other, in whom all and everything exist. He is not a bigger and more impressive and powerful human being. He is God. There is nothing outside of Him–no, not even some place in which nothing is, not even a true vacuum. There is nothing outside of God because God IS everywhere. Don’t mistake me–God isn’t located everywhere–God IS everywhere–God IS every-when. Is God our servant? Clearly God is our servant–not because we are powerful, but because we are utterly bereft of power. Not because of our great wealth, but rather because of our utter poverty. We are God’s responsibility because we are absolutely unable to care for ourselves. He at every moment and constantly provides life to us. If He did not, we would immediately cease to live. He constantly donates existence to us. If He were to stop, we would never have been. He didn’t build and wind up the universe and then walk away (as though He could ever not be present everywhere). It is by His life that this and any other worlds and all of the inhabitants of any worlds exist and continue to exist and to have existed. If you build a house and then leave town, the house still stands. If you light a candle to fill the room with light, and then take the candle away, the light goes with it. God is like the candle–not like the builder. God IS life, light, existence, everything.

Amen :slight_smile:

I am not an atheist. I am a Gnostic Christian. My God is also I am, and yes. I mean me.

Strange how you can know so much about a God who is said to be unknowable, unfathomable and beyond human understanding.

I think you are quite delusional or gullible enough to believe your own lies.

And yes, your statements are lies as you cannot show any reliable source for any of your speculative nonsense.

Regards
DL

Sure. Hura for all genocidal Gods.

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DL

I guess there are still Gnostic churches around, according to this Roman Catholic forum at forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=707257. Let me share an answer, from a real Gnostic poster there :smiley:

Just in case this is the last thread - last post - before they pull the plug. Let me dedicate a song to it. :laughing:

One of these band members, won the Nobel prize for literature. :open_mouth:

P.S.Someone told me that Alfred Nobel at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel invented dynamite. And I thought he invented door knockers. What, you ask? Just analyze the name. It says it all. “No-bel”.

Christians tried to wipe us out but did not succeed.

Thanks for the info.

Basically, Gnostic Christians are free thinkers. At least 25% of the world are free thinkers and Gnostic in attitude if not in name.

It is estimated that by 2050, free thinkers will overtake the non-free thinkers/theists. I hope it is sooner as women and gays deserve equality and an end to discrimination and denigration without a just cause that religions propagate.

Regards
DL

I don’t believe God ordered any genocide. I also don’t believe in Adam and Eve, a worldwide flood, Joshua’s sunny overtime, animals who boink while looking at a striped-stick producing striped offspring; I’m also doubtful about the logistics of the Exodus. Now before you pronounce me closet-gnostic or Marcionite, I also doubt some stuff from the New Testament, like the account of the resurrected saints. I am no fundamentalist. But I reject the idea that The Good is a combination lock that we must figure out; I rather believe and hope that The Good comes to us, all the way down.

I am holding fast to what is good; you are promoting a self-study salvation course that few can pass.

For a “free-thinker,” you are pretty judgmental of other’s beliefs. And the assumption that the rest of us don’t think “freely,” wow! :open_mouth:

Gnosticism is spiritual masturbation.

No. If I can do it, anybody can as I am not special min any way.

I am just your average free thinker.

Only fools will think that they need salvation from immoral Gods.

Good is not what comes down to us but it is what we decide is good just as we decide what is evil.

Secular law has shown how poor the morality of the religions are.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.

Regards
DL

Indeed. I rely on my own judgements as compared to letting others do my thinking for me.

You should try it.

Regards
DL

Maybe you should stop relying on your judgments; they seem to suck.

Whiny little bitches think so because they cannot refute my judgements and can only try to insult as they leave the debate or discussion…

Tuck your mental tail and run away.

Regards
DL

Well, I’m off to see Wonder Woman and The Mummy this weekend! But when I read your commentary, I was reminded of Hannibal lecter speaking. I think the Silence of the Lambs is a classic. :exclamation: :laughing:

Those are about your speed.

Regards
DL