Cindy Skillman wrote:I read somewhere (where escapes me just now) that this saying meant it would have been better for Judas to have been conceived but not carried to term. Makes sense to me. Same for Hitler and his fellows, I'd venture to suggest. None of these has apparently made any progress in this life.
Caleb Fogg wrote:So Ace, in Hope Beyond Hell it essentially says that Jesus is saying, "it would have been better for me, if Judas had never been born"? This seems a bit clunky to me, and Beauchmeins argument isn't exactly robust.
Seems to me that Jesus is using a bit of hyperbole here. Apparently he did that from time to time.
JasonPratt wrote:I don't recall what thread I did it in, but I hashed out the grammar at one point and decided Christ probably wasn't saying "better for Me if that man had not been born".
However, when that phrase is used elsewhere in the Bible, it's a call for pity and mercy on the person so described. So I'm not too worried about Jesus using it about Judas. Matthew after all is the author who goes most out of his way to open up audience pity for Judas.
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