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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:44 am

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DaveB wrote:That 'martyr' post was 'Justin' time :lol:


You been hanging around me too long, DaveB. :lol:

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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Paidion » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:46 am

Eusebius wrote:In a way, this saddens me that this message board will become read only. Now I'll have to find other message boards
where Christians can attack me for what I believe.


Generally, people are not attacked for what they believe, but for the manner in which they attempt to justify what they believe.
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Jonny95 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:31 am

Paidion wrote:
Eusebius wrote:In a way, this saddens me that this message board will become read only. Now I'll have to find other message boards
where Christians can attack me for what I believe.


Generally, people are not attacked for what they believe, but for the manner in which they attempt to justify what they believe.

Oh shut your face! ;)
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Postby Paidion » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:11 pm

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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Eaglesway » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:28 pm

I made a forum a couple years ago, It has no members, lol, I never promote it, but it was really easy and cheap to do. I dont have time to run a forum, so I set up the threads to be basic studies limited to UR, and I may use it to archive some of my UR focused posts from here and Tentmaker. I think it costs me about 110.00 dollars a year. Its a phpBB forum @ www.Salvationofall.org. I will keep an eye out to see if anyone is interested in it, but its purpose is strictly UR focused, unless I was to create a hidden "anything goes" area. Facebook has some good features, but I think it is just too limited for discussion, and the "thread" method is the only way i've seen to maintain a topic.

In an ideal world the "facial" portion of the forum would be a place where the nuts and bolts of UR/Salvation of All/ Biblical Christian Universalism would be presented clearly and consistently.

Tangental theological rabbit holes could be discussed by thicker skinned established members in a hidden area ot the forum covered by a big disclaimer, "Let no timid enter here" :lol:

The conflict between trying to present this wonderful gospel message, and having it lost and buried beneath the kudzu of systematic theologies of different brands, is one I think needs to be resolved somewhere(not sure where and how, but would like to see it).

Anyway, it definitely takes time to create and monitor such a thing, and I appreciate the time invested by the founders of this forum, and I think the general tone of the forum has been pretty good.
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Postby DaveB » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:46 pm

Eaglesway wrote:the kudzu of systematic theologies


Oh, well put matey!
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Postby pog » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:55 pm

How are we still posting???
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Postby Alex Smith » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:09 pm

pog wrote:How are we still posting???
I haven't had a chance to freeze things yet :)
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby JasonPratt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:22 am

Also, I gathered that the plan wasn't to freeze posts until next month? We just aren't accepting new members from March 1 onward.
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby DaveB » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:19 am

I can vent my spleen the rest of the month???

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Postby steve7150 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:49 am

I haven't had a chance to freeze things yet :)
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Postby Jepne » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:00 pm

Many, many thanks to you all for hosting this forum - I have enjoyed it mostly vicariously through my husband. You all have enriched our lives by engaging yourselves in these discussions.

I definitely want to gather up all his three-some-thousand posts before the door finally closes - as well as some other people's.

I am more of a facebook person, so I may see you there as Jean Clink.

Many of my fb friends are evangelical so I post on my page things that I find that will provoke them to think a little further than black-white, heaven or hell, so I understand the desire for anonymity - I don't want to be in their faces with my beliefs that are so different from theirs.

The only closed FB group I was turned away from was a Vietnam Veterans group for people who had been 'in the land'.

I have heard that Zuckerberg is censoring facebook, so if you are Right wing, you may be affected. I have my ear out for another social media place - there are some that you can't use with a computer, so there are limitations.

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Postby Eusebius » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:27 am

Paidion wrote:
Eusebius wrote:In a way, this saddens me that this message board will become read only. Now I'll have to find other message boards
where Christians can attack me for what I believe.


Generally, people are not attacked for what they believe, but for the manner in which they attempt to justify what they believe.


That must have been what happened to Jesus, Paul and all who were martyred. If only they just kept their mouths shut.

But really, no one has been martyred here . . . that I know of. And it is improper for someone to claim I have a martyr complex (which is just another form of attack on me by the way), for stating that, for the most part, I have been attacked for what I believe. People just don't like to be told they are wrong, including me. But we need to be like the Bereans who were more noble than the others who searched the Scriptures to see if these have it right. We all need to swallow our pride and ask God for help.

Paidion, I may not agree with some things you've written, but I do appreciate that what you write is unique to you and is very special.
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby davo » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:47 am

Eusebius wrote:And it is improper for someone to claim I have a martyr complex (which is just another form of attack on me by the way), for stating that, for the most part, I have been attacked for what I believe.

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Postby Paidion » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:22 am

Poor Eusebius. Attacked for what he believes. And accused of having a martyr complex. Image
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:08 pm

I found some fellows, who have a bone or two - to pick with Eusebius :!: :lol:

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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby DaveB » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:13 pm

That was almost humerus. I was going to have Patella, but he's in Palatine.
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Postby Eaglesway » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:11 am

Was that humerus or a fibula?
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Postby DaveB » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:17 am

Hahhhhha...it was just a good-natured ribbing...
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Postby Gabe Grinstead » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:22 am

Paidion wrote:Poor Eusebius. Attacked for what he believes. And accused of having a martyr complex. Image


Come on guys, that isn't Godly behavior. I don't agree with hardly anything he has posted, but to insinuate he is a sensitive cry baby is definitely not loving your neighbor. Let's not be rude.
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Postby DaveB » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:26 am

DaveB wrote:That was almost humerus. I was going to have Patella, but he's in Palatine.

Should have been ", but Pat's in Palatine"

That was almost 'humorous'. I was going to have 'Pat tell ya', but Pat's in PAlaTine

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Postby Paidion » Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:43 pm

Gabe wrote:Come on guys, that isn't Godly behavior. I don't agree with hardly anything he has posted, but to insinuate he is a sensitive cry baby is definitely not loving your neighbor. Let's not be rude.


There was no insinuation or rudeness involved. What we did was a natural response (good-natured ribbing) to his claim to have been attacked for his beliefs. He hadn't been attacked. But whenever someone expressed disagreement he seemed to take it as an attack. He also claimed people had accused him of having a martyr complex. I saw no evidence of this.
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Postby JasonPratt » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:35 am

Davo back on page one accused him of the martyr complex, as part of some good natured ribbing (leading to puns), for his habit of treating disagreements as "attacks" on him for what he believes.

Which he proceeded to treat as just another "attack" on hm. :roll: But Eusebius was correct about someone in the thread saying he has a martyr complex.
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby davo » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:08 am

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Eusebius wrote:In a way, this saddens me that this message board will become read only. Now I'll have to find other message boards
where Christians can attack me for what I believe. :D

    C'mon Eusebius… enough already with the martyr complex :lol:

Jason… seriously??? That was NO “accusation” as per what that word conjures up. Eusebius was just being too precious; he needs to harden up and relax — if both those things aren’t mutually exclusive, lol. :lol:
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Postby qaz » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:35 am

Perhaps there's been a cultural misunderstanding on eusebius's part. Australians tend to be much more rough and tumble than Americans. There's actually a movie, Crocodile Dundee, all about this cultural difference between Americans and Australians.
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Postby steve7150 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:36 am

Perhaps there's been a cultural misunderstanding on eusebius's part. Australians tend to be much more rough and tumble than Americans. There's actually a movie, Crocodile Dundee, all about this cultural difference between Americans and Australians.





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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:00 pm

steve7150 wrote:Perhaps there's been a cultural misunderstanding on eusebius's part. Australians tend to be much more rough and tumble than Americans. There's actually a movie, Crocodile Dundee, all about this cultural difference between Americans and Australians.


Now this is a knife! Mate! :D


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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby JasonPratt » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:02 am

davo wrote:
davo wrote:
Eusebius wrote:In a way, this saddens me that this message board will become read only. Now I'll have to find other message boards
where Christians can attack me for what I believe. :D

    C'mon Eusebius… enough already with the martyr complex :lol:

Jason… seriously??? That was NO “accusation” as per what that word conjures up. Eusebius was just being too precious; he needs to harden up and relax — if both those things aren’t mutually exclusive, lol. :lol:


Granted on the latter, but "enough already with the X" implies some kind of accusation that an X which should not be done is being done.
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Postby davo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:00 pm

Lol… I can’t believe I’m actually responding to this. :roll:

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the light-heart nature of Eusebius’ “Now I'll have to find other message boards where Christians can attack me for what I believe. :D— ESPECIALLY his use of the… :D It was to this I responded in-kind with my quip, note, not an accusation; followed by, just to make it plain (but apparently not) my own… :lol:

That Eusebius then later on chose to make this the source of some egregious complaint, and all the head-scratching palaver that followed, has left me thinking…
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Postby JasonPratt » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:39 am

JasonPratt wrote:Davo back on page one accused him of the martyr complex, as part of some good natured ribbing (leading to puns), for his habit of treating disagreements as "attacks" on him for what he believes.

Which he [Eusebius] proceeded to treat as just another "attack" on hm. :roll: But Eusebius was correct about someone in the thread saying he has a martyr complex.


davo wrote:Lol… I can’t believe I’m actually responding to this. :roll:

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the light-heart nature of Eusebius’ “Now I'll have to find other message boards where Christians can attack me for what I believe. :D— ESPECIALLY his use of the… :D It was to this I responded in-kind with my quip, note, not an accusation; followed by, just to make it plain (but apparently not) my own… :lol:

That Eusebius then later on chose to make this the source of some egregious complaint, and all the head-scratching palaver that followed, has left me thinking…
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Well, then, I demonstrably had at least an ounce of common sense, since from the beginning I correctly identified the accusation as good-natured ribbing and NOT as an attack (including a plain eyeroll at treating it as an attack), although Eu did.

A joking accusation is still an accusation as well as a joke. It was not an attack, and I'm not the one who treated it as such. The Judge Judy gif is, however, apt.

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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:52 am

Maybe today's quote I shared on Twitter, will give us some food for fodder (see https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090731152604AANXGhM).

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Postby ChrisB » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:40 pm

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Postby Craig » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:42 pm

I am also very sad to hear of this forum finishing. It has meant a lot to me over the last few years to be able to read posts, discuss the scriptures, and fellowship with the people here in a way that has been most encouraging. I will miss having access to you and all your thoughts.
Thanks very much to all those who have worked so hard to make it the blessing that it has been.
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Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:45 pm

One of the best literary analysis attempts...put into a black, gangster style framework...ls Thug Notes. You can see all 100 liternary analysis here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9q2P2N028&list=PLghL9V9QTN0jTgA1qrhWrBCB_Ln4xlVlB

And, Yes. Sparky Sweets, does have a PhD, as this Wiki article articulates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thug_Notes

Let me quote from the Wiki article:

Explaining the usage of African American Vernacular English within the series, Edwards stated, "but the truth is, the gift of literature is universal in meaning and should be made accessible to everyone on every plane. So, 'Thug Notes' is my way of trivializing academia's attempt at making literature exclusionary by showing that even high-brow academic concepts can be communicated in a clear and open fashion."[8] The style used by Edwards' character was a result of "frustration with the world of academia".[6]


I thought it might be interesting, to see his presentation of Dante's Inferno :D

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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby DaveB » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:26 pm

But!!!! As Robert Frost said "All the fun's in how you say a thing".

Compare:
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Which, like a sleeping swan, doth float
Upon the silver waves of thy sweet singing;
And thine doth like an angel sit
Beside a helm conducting it, 5
Whilst all the winds with melody are ringing.
It seems to float ever, for ever,
Upon that many-winding river,
Between mountains, woods, abysses,
A paradise of wildernesses! 10
Till, like one in slumber bound,
Borne to the ocean, I float down, around,
Into a sea profound, of ever-spreading sound:"

Yeah it could be put into prose or hip-hop - but it would not be as fun! :lol:
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Postby Alex Smith » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:51 pm

Craig wrote:I am also very sad to hear of this forum finishing. It has meant a lot to me over the last few years to be able to read posts, discuss the scriptures, and fellowship with the people here in a way that has been most encouraging. I will miss having access to you and all your thoughts.
Thanks very much to all those who have worked so hard to make it the blessing that it has been.
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I can't promise anything as there are a number of hurdles, but we may be migrating the forum to a new platform so that it can continue...
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Postby Bruce Cooper » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:48 pm

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Postby DaveB » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:58 am

Would a miniscule...I mean, a cash contribution from a few of us be any help in clearing those hurdles?
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Postby Eaglesway » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:52 pm

Yea, if its a cash issue as opposed to a time/value issue I would be glad to pitch in.
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Postby Craig » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:20 am

Eaglesway wrote:Yea, if its a cash issue as opposed to a time/value issue I would be glad to pitch in.


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Postby steve7150 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:00 am

Me too.





Me too too! Is it completely impossible to keep it going? How much time and effort is involved?
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby JasonPratt » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:25 am

It isn't a question of cash. The hosting server will be ceasing to run this server engine, requiring us to migrate one way or another. We can migrate to a new host that runs the same server engine; or to a new host with a different engine; or to a new engine on this host.

The landlord we're renting from has decided to knock down the house, so we have to move to a new house, whether owned by this landlord or by another one. Since lots can go wrong with the move, we're conservatively treating the situation as terminal just to be safe; but Alex et al are running experiments to migrate the forum, in part or in whole, to another engine.

The cash offer is certainly appreciated, of course! :D But, it hasn't really been a problem. Various people have funded the forum over the years, myself included as the fallback position (since I have a good job and no family to support, so I can afford to pay the whole yearly fee if necessary. I just treat it as part of my tithe.)
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Holy-Fool-P-Zombie » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:32 am

JasonPratt wrote:It isn't a question of cash. The hosting server will be ceasing to run this server engine, requiring us to migrate one way or another. We can migrate to a new host that runs the same server engine; or to a new host with a different engine; or to a new engine on this host.

The landlord we're renting from has decided to knock down the house, so we have to move to a new house, whether owned by this landlord or by another one. Since lots can go wrong with the move, we're conservatively treating the situation as terminal just to be safe; but Alex et al are running experiments to migrate the forum, in part or in whole, to another engine.

The cash offer is certainly appreciated, of course! :D But, it hasn't really been a problem. Various people have funded the forum over the years, myself included as the fallback position (since I have a good job and no family to support, so I can afford to pay the whole yearly fee if necessary. I just treat it as part of my tithe.)


Hi, Jason. For my benefit and others here. When you use the term "engine", are you referring to PHPBB? And not a server configuration, like LAMP (i.e. Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP)? And a new engine, would be something like MYBB? Is this a correct understanding?
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby TurtleJoy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:57 am

I respect your decision but feel that I must say that Facebook groups are a LOUSY alternative to message boards. the organization is awful and people ask the same questions very often because no visible threads.
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby JasonPratt » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:40 am

Holy-Fool-P-Zombie wrote:Hi, Jason. For my benefit and others here. When you use the term "engine", are you referring to PHPBB? And not a server configuration, like LAMP (i.e. Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP)? And a new engine, would be something like MYBB? Is this a correct understanding?


From what I understand, that's correct. We're either migrating to a new host that uses PHPBB, or to a new forum code either on this host or elsewhere -- although I think the team has been looking more at getting off the PHPBB engine for some reason.

(Forum networking isn't my specialty at all, so I'm not much help on this side of the project, and I could be using terms wrongly, too. But I'm trying to describe it in a way that makes sense to me. ;) )
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby steve7150 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:50 am

I respect your decision but feel that I must say that Facebook groups are a LOUSY alternative to message boards. the organization is awful and people ask the same questions very often because no visible threads.









Right i have not seen individual threads/topics on FB. Plus FB just moves things on their own according to their algorithm?
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Valiantwarrior » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:42 am

Hey y'all! It's been a long time since posted a reply. I'm sad to see this forum go. I would agree that Facebook is more accessible though. Thank you to all who have been managing this and providing insight!
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby JasonPratt » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:59 am

Last I heard, the micro-tome is still being worked on; possibly delayed because she's working on two auxiliary tomes (one on early non-Christian notions of apokatastasis, and one on Christian apokatastasis after Eriugena into and through the Middle-Ages, into the early modern period.)
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Origen; » Sun May 14, 2017 1:44 pm

I like the CD idea with info from the entire site. Or of the comments from individuals, e.g. Jason Pratt's posts.

Is the plan to move everything to another site/server for reading only, but have future discussions on FB?
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Re: Forum will be read-only from March onwards

Postby Origen; » Sun May 14, 2017 1:54 pm

For those who don't expect they'd participate in a FB (FaceBook) type of discussion format, perhaps the following two forums would be of interest:

https://www.christianforums.com/

http://www.city-data.com/forum/

Christian Universalists have been posting there for years, including some members of this site. I've seen them in these topics:

"Controversial Christian Theology
Nicene and Non-Nicene Christians only
(eg. full preterism, universalism)."

https://www.christianforums.com/forums/ ... ology.130/

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/

Another forum is at Tentmaker, though i don't know if they're accepting new members at this time.

These are all excellent options to find Christians (& others) who will attack you for what you believe ;
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