SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Arguments/positions in defense of Evangelical Universalism.

Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:46 am

WE DIFFER FROM ETERS

We differ on what we perceive to be of the Holy Spirit.

Interested students will examine the contents of the links I post, and will decide for themselves whether or not they think what it says is of the Holy Spirit.

Everyone will choose to believe whatever they are convinced is the truth about what the Bible teaches. I post on forums to give people an alternate point of view. Had I known that one existed I never would have had a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78 over my inability to love a god who would allow anyone actually prefer to suffer forever rather than eventually reach out for the salvation that God has provided. I'm 78 years old now.

THE FOLLOWING HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE TRUE REGARDING THE DEBATE ABOUT ETERNAL TORMENT
The argument about “eternal hell” nearly always gets bogged down with the words, “My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars,” and the result is nearly always a stalemate. We also differ about what we perceive to be of the Holy Spirit.

My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

Also see
TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/time/

Also see THE SCHOLAR’S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM at
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that is exactly what God is like.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:18 pm

WEBSITES (SOME OF THEM WITH MANY LINKS) THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE CORRECTLY (LITERALLY, NOT INTERPRETIVELY) TRANSLATED TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, NOT ETERNAL TORMENT, OR EVEN ANNIHILATION

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/
http://web.archive.org/web/201107132242 ... /gtft.org/ If the link doesn’t open for you, click on the word “impatient”
http://www.saviourofall.org
http://www.concordant.org/
http://www.tentmaker.org/
http://www.sigler.org/
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/culinks.html
http://www.godfire.net/paris/hellnotforever.html
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Bible-Proofs-modern.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/wjanse/welcome.htm
http://www.savior-of-all.com/
http://bible-truths.com
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/24.html
http://www.ocis.net/~rmckay/
http://www.willamette.edu/~ttalbott/theol.html
http://godfire.net/index.html
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/death.htm
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/index.html
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/
http://www.godslastcall.org/rev21-22.html
http://www.thenewcreation.com/
http://godfire.net/eby
http://hellbusters.8m.com/eby.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html
http://www.sigler.org/kingdom/links.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/FreeMoralAgent-Eby.html
http://godskingdomministries.org/free_will.htm
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/The%20Gobb ... Gospel.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Lazarus.html
http://bible-truths.com/part8.htm
http://www.godfire.net/elwin.html
http://www.godfire.net/reasons.html
http://www.godfire.net/FreeWill.html
http://www.godfire.net/eby.html
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/answers.html
http://www.gospelogic.com/
http://www.promiseed.com
http://sigler.org/kingdom/
http://www.sigler.org/keith/
http://www.godfire.net/paris/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/jgindex.html
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/
http://www.geocities.com/michaelgerardburke/index.html
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hellfactor/indexhf.htm
http://greater-emmanuel.org
http://www.hlom.org/fellowship.html
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Call_Of_The_Kingdom/
http://www.interiorcoveringsministry.org/
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/recon-7.htm
http://tgulcm.tripod.com/
http://www.goodnewsinc.net/
http://www.twsj.ws/news.php
http://www.greenwood.net/~cdevans
http://greater-emmanuel.org/insights.html
http://www.geocities.com/tws490/
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/
http://hell-fact-or-fable.com
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/
http://www.haroldlovelace.com/
http://p199.ezboard.com/bjesusthelightoftheworld
http://www.greenwood.net:80/~cdevans/SR.htm
http://www.biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/
http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html
http://www.christianuniversalist.org
http://www.presence.tv/cms/index.php
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/id2.html
http://www.sigler.org/eby/savior_of_the_word_series.htm
http://www.haroldlovelace.com/
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/
http://www.notjustnotes.ws/index.htm
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/jgindex.html
http://www.willamette.edu/~ttalbott/
http://www.sigler.org/sirius8/rpnavbar.html
http://www.godfire.net/rayknight/
http://martinzender.com/zenderature.htm
http://thegloryrd.com
http://www.urincluded2.com/
http://www.christaslife.org/
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/id2.html
http://www.scaredofhell.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/links.html
http://www.kingdomstudy.com/OtherKingdomLinks.html
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html
http://frimmin.com/faith/godislove.php
http://www.tentmaker.org/Quotes/uniquotes.htm
http://boldgrace.com/
http://biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/univart.html
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/christa.html (scroll down to CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM section)
http://harvestherald.com/thirtyquestions.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html
http://www.forgivenforever.org/
http://www.godoftheages.com/
http://not1lost.blogspot.com/2008/09/ag ... ction.html
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloa ... y72804.pdf
http://www.tlchrist.info/universl.htm
http://www.bible-truths.com/
http://www.newbeginningministries.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/
http://frimmin.com/faith/godislove.php
http://www.martinzender.com:80/
http://knowingtodaysgod.com/
http://godfire.net/kennedy/
http://www.completerestorationinchrist. ... s-not.html
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/index.html
http://thegloryrd.com:80/
http://allmadealive.com/quotes.php
www.GraceEvangel.org
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/index.html
http://wisefire.tv/
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/2005/ ... nt-it.html
http://www.martinzender.com/zenderature.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/links.html
http://newlifeinternational.faithweb.co ... Links.html
http://scaredofhell.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/links.html
http://www.hetbestenieuws.nl/links.htm
http://home.earthlink.net:80/~btodd2/freewillnote.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~btodd1/punishment.html
http://crossfaithministry.org/universalism.html
http://www.mercifultruth.com/eternity.htm
http://sigler.org/mckay/sovereignty.html
http://www.gtft.org/Library/miscellaneous/evil.htm
http://www.thomastalbott.com/
http://jesusreligion.com/
http://www.archive.org/details/universalrestitu00ston
http://www.thetencommandmentsministry.u ... e/whence...
http://harmony-church.net/Correct.htm
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/other%20docs.htm
http://hopebeyondhell.net/
http://www.christianuniversalist.org/
http://haroldlovelace.com/
http://www.crossandthrone.com/
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/articles2.html
http://www.mercifultruth.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Call_Of_The_Kingdom/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/bsn.htm
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/default.cfm
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/links.htm
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloa ... y72804.pdf
http://www.heavenandhellpage.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/kg/kg.html
http://www.savioroftheworld.net/
http://www.destinedforsalvation.org/
http://www.universalist-herald.net/1BkRev.html
http://www.universalistfriends.org/quf2009.html
http://godfire.net/links.html
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jm/restoration.htm
http://www.AUniversalist.com/StudiesoftheWord.html
http://www.godfire.net/index.html
http://www.einet.net/directory/974143/Universalism.htm
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/book_list.cfm
http://absolute-reconciliation.org/
http://completerestorationinchrist.org/
http://www.gospelrevolution.com/
http://thegloryrd.com/
http://perfectgrace.org/
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/other%20docs.htm
http://euniversalism.forum5.com/index.php
http://www.biblicaluniversalism.com/posting1.htm
http://www.junkmaster.com/Ministry/cupage1.htm
http://antinomianuniversalism.com/index.php
http://www.biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/
http://ukapologetics.net/1inclusivism.htm
http://www.christianheretic.com/hell
http://dir.crossmap.com/Science_and_Soc ... iversalism
http://www.christianspiritualism.org/ar ... ionios.htm
http://www.graceevangel.org/
http://godquest.org/links.htm
http://www.godsplanforall.com/
http://godfire.net/paris/
http://www.thomastalbott.com/
http://www.archive.org/details/universalrestitu00ston
http://thetencommandmentsministry.us/mi ... e_eternity
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/
http://www.AUniversalist.com/index.html
http://www.godfire.net/links.html
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloa ... y72804.pdf
http://www.christianuniversalism.info/
http://www.godsplanforall.com/calvinism ... iversalism
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloa ... y72804.pdf
http://www.restoreallthings.org/
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloa ... xplnd2.htm
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/culinks.html
http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d020806.htm
https://www.robbell.com/lovewins/
http://fireandrose.blogspot.com/2006/08 ... ketch.html
http://perfectgrace.org/
http://www.godsplanforall.com/
http://www.mercifultruth.com/
http://greater-emmanuel.org/kg/kg.html
http://www.christian-universalism.com/
http://healingspiritualterrorism.com/
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hell.htm
http://www.urqa.com/
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hellfactor/indexhf.htm
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=33973
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/ ... /index.cfm
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/2005/ ... nt-it.html
http://www.godsplanforall.com/
http://sigler.org/mckay/etpunish.htm
http://www.overcomers.ca/
http://www.biblicaluniversalism.org/
http://www.urqa.com/
http://www.dialoguewith.us/
http://bible-truths.com/part6.htm
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.p ... or=||KNOCH,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christian-universalism/
http://www.truth.info/future/universalism.htm
http://www.marcspeed.org/hellisamistranslation.cfm
http://endlesshellended.com/
http://www.urqa.com/
http://www.tlchrist.info/universl.htm
http://lovewins.us/
http://evangelicaluniversalism.org/
http://biblicaluniversalism.org/
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/
http://sigler.org/slagle/
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/topics.htm
http://www.tsdowntown.com/
http://www.christianuniversalism.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/ETERNAL_HELL_NO.htm
http://www.godshew.org/index.htm
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/
http://www.bible-questions-and-answers. ... -hell.html
http://www.truth.info/future/universalism.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/Websites.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/Paper.html
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/SiteLinks.html
http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/authors_frames.htm
http://hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/
http://www.thoheslayme.blogspot.ca/
http://www.godsplanforall.com/
http://www.frimmin.com/faith/godislove.php
http://www.kingdomgospel.net/publicatio ... ment1.html
http://www.thoheslayme.blogspot.ca/
http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com
http://www.biblicaluniversalism.org
http://www.graceevangel.org/
http://www.tsdowntown.com/
http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/Library.htm
http://ww.concordantbiblesociety.org.uk
http://www.unionlife.org
http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/FOR ... olumns.pdf
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:46 pm

A UNIVERSAL SALVATION THESIS THAT SHOULD BE ON
THE REQUIRED READING LIST OF ALL BIBLE SCHOOLS

Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expositions/his-a ... nt-are-we/

Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:32 pm

WHO SHALL WORSHIP GOD?

An appropriate snippet from
“ASK OF ME OF THINGS TO COME” – K. ROSS MCKAY

“WHO SHALL EVENTUALLY WORSHIP GOD?
Every creature Rev. 5:13
All flesh Isa. 66:23
All the ends of the world Psa. 22:27
All the kindreds of the nations Psa. 67:7
All the isles of the heathen Zep. 2:11
All the nations whom Thou hast made Psa. 86:9; Rev. 15:4
All the earth Psa. 66:4
The whole earth shall be filled with His glory Psa. 72:19; 97:7.”
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:19 pm

WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED? – KENNETH BRIX

“That salvation is of man and HIS works is shared by many of us who are Christians. We’ve portrayed God as having done all He could do to save mankind more than 2000 years ago. So now, supposedly, it’s up to mankind to perform the remaining essential of exercising the good work of faith, or else suffer everlasting consequences.

We have looked upon salvation as a joint effort between man and God, and as primarily what WE do for Him. With this teaching MAN is exalted, self righteousness flourishes, and God is stripped of His sovereignty! But our salvation ‘is not of him that willeth’ (any decision we make of ourselves), ‘nor of him that runneth’ (any effort we put forth of ourselves), BUT OF GOD Who showeth mercy! (Romans 9:16)

Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment in the lake of fire?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world (Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:53 pm

By Jan Antonsson

Why did Christ have to die such a horrific death? That question was posed to me by an on-line reader of The Glory Road over ten years ago now. I gave it my best shot as did Harry Fox and John Gavazzoni. The reader wasn’t convinced, but I want to share Harry’s one sentence answer to the man: "Crucifixion," or its equivalent, is INTRINSIC to the kind of love in which God forgave and continues to forgive us, His enemies, who nailed Jesus to a cross (cf. Rom. 5:6-10; Col. 1:21-22).

Romans 5:10, asks this question: “For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life ?” The verse in Col. 1:21 shows the scope of that love: “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”
Jan Antonsson
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:48 pm

WILLIAM BARCLAY

Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."

See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).

Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson.
AIÓN – AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.shtml

SEE

THE SCHOLARS CORNER THE CENTER FOR BIBLE STUDIES IN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM
Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

Moulton and Milligan in "Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament" write concerning aionios that "In general the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view, whether the horizon be at an infinite distance, or whether it lies no farther than the span of Caesar's life." New Thayers Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defines "kolasis" as "CORRECTION, punishment, penalty". It is a linguistically possible to replace "eternal punishment" with "CORRECTION FOR THE AGES."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:07 am

YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID – Kenneth Larsen

“You hear that it was declared, 'You shall be loving your associate' and you shall be hating your enemy. Yet I am saying to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who are persecuting you, so that you may become sons of your Father Who is in the heavens, for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked and the good, and makes it rain on the just and the unjust. For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you? Are not the tribute collectors also doing the same? And if ever you should greet your brothers only, what are you doing that is excessive? Are not those of the nations also doing the same? You, then, shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt. 5:43-48.

You have heard that it was said, “God hates those people so much He’s going to torment them in the flames.”
But God says, “To no one render evil for evil; rather, conquer evil with good. In doing this, you will be heaping embers of fire on his head.” Ro. 12:17-21.

You have heard that it was said, “God offers salvation to all mankind, but only saves those who believe before they die.”
But God says, “I AM the living God, the Savior of all mankind, especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.” 1 Timothy 4:10, 11.

You have heard that it was said, “Some people are impossible to save; their stubborn will is just too strong!”
But God says, “With Me nothing is impossible; no one is stronger than Me!” Matt. 19:25, 26; 1 Cor. 10:22.

You have heard that it was said, “God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can’t do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they’re hopeless.”
But God says, “Through Christ I will reconcile all to Myself (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.” Colossians 1:20, 21.

You have heard that it was said, “For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, all those who are in Christ shall be vivified.”
But God says, “For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.” 1 Cor. 15:22.

You have heard that it was said, “Seek God and you’ll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you’re lost, it will be your own fault.”
But God says, “No one is seeking Me. All avoid Me. Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of My mercy.” Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.

You have heard that it was said, “The second death will be eternal; there’s no escaping the lake of fire.”
But God says, “The last enemy is being abolished: death.” 1 Corinthians 15:26.

You have heard that it was said, “When God doesn’t give the person the chance to hear the Gospel, it’s because He knows they would have rejected it anyway.”
But God says, “My saving grace makes its advent to all humanity. Jesus enlightens every soul who enters the world, and He will draw all to Himself.” Titus 2:11; Jn. 1:9; 12:32.

You have heard that it was said, “The subjection of all to Christ will, in many cases, involve compulsion, rather than the reception of a body of glory.”
But God says, “Christ will transfigure the body of humiliation, to conform it to the body of His glory, in accord with the operation which enables Him even to subject all to Himself. Every tongue will acclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, by Holy Spirit.” 1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:9-11; 3:21.

You have heard that it was said, “All mankind is condemned in Adam, but only some of them will receive justification in Christ.”
But God says, “Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying. For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.” Romans 5:18, 19.

You have heard that it was said, “God wills all mankind be saved, but that’s really just wishful thinking.”
But God says, “The Lamb of God takes away the sin of the world, annulling the acts of the Adversary! My will is to save all, and I operate all in accord with the counsel of My will.” John 1:29; 1 Jn. 3:8; 1 Tim. 2:1-6; Eph. 1:11.

You have heard that it was said, “God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever.”
But God says, “And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.” Luke 6:32-35.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:32 pm

WORTH REPEATING

#1 - A SNIPPET FROM REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL - RAY PRINZING (my earthly hero and mentor)

“Aionian punishment means of the age, or age during. It is a period of time designated by God for the bringing to naught that which is wrong. God will mete out exactly the amount of time necessary for correction, but it will not be prolonged beyond that which is needed. All of God’s punishments are corrective in nature, motivated by His love, and used to work into our good and His praise.”
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#2 – A SNIPPET FROM ALL IN ALL – A.E. KNOCH

“The terms translated ‘forever’ and ‘everlasting’ and ‘never’ are human perversions which could never have deceived us if they had been consistently rendered. They denote definite divisions of time called ages or eons. All together they form a distinct portion of time called eonian times. Destruction, like salvation, is eonian. It is not the end or aim of God. God destroys nothing that He will not restore. He loses nothing that will not return to Him laden with praise and glory for Himself. Destruction is a passing process, not a finished goal. Through God it will work out the welfare of all of His creatures and the glory of our Saviour."

(Editor’s note: Scriptures that seem to disagree with this conclusion are addressed in chapter four of his book ALL IN ALL)
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#3 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. KNOCH

“I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God? Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all.”
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#4 – A SNIPPET FROM THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD – THOMAS TALBOTT

“The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever. But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place.

When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours.”
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#5 – A SNIPPET FROM A TREATISE ON ATONEMENT – HOSEA BALLOU

“We are told of a god who created millions of beings whom he intends for endless torments and puts His whole design into execution; and this is called supreme goodness.
In millions of cases this god finds it most for his glory to make his rational, hoping, wanting creatures endlessly miserable.

We are likewise told of a devil who acts for his own gratification, and who delights in making God’s creatures miserable; and this is called badness.

Shall we thus represent our kind and merciful Father from Whom streams of goodness continually flow to His wanting, needing creatures? No; let every vibration of sense within us acknowledge His bountiful hand which will never close.”
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#6 – A SNIPPET FROM SALVATOR MUNDI: OR, IS CHRIST THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN? – SAMUEL COX

“By insisting on an interpreted translation of a Greek word, would you have the vast majority of men damned to an everlasting torture in order that you may feel quite sure that your timid soul will sit and sing itself away in everlasting bliss?

The main object of this book is to encourage those who faintly trust “the larger hope” to commit themselves to it wholly and fearlessly by showing them that they have ample warrant for it in scriptures of the New Testament.”
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#7 – A SNIPPET FROM GOD’S RULES FOR SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION AND MAN’S PLACE IN GOD’S PURPOSE – CHARLES J. PEART

“Sinners do not go away into everlasting punishment. They go into eonian correction. Thank God for the Concordant literal translation, which some in their blindness are condemning. When leaders in the church today condemn something I would be the first one to rush out and get it and examine it for myself. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the majority have the truth. It has never been that way and it is not now.

The unscriptural tradition assigning a limit beyond which Christ has no power to save the obstinate sinner has spread universally. It is worldwide. It claims that the will of man can successfully oppose the power and will of God. “God wills all mankind to be saved” (1Tim.2:4). Let us follow our Lord in His denunciation of tradition that makes void the word of God. Let us revel in the full extent of Christ’s work and God’s victory for all mankind.”
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#8 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PURPOSE OF GOD’S WILL – GUY MARKS

“God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some, evil is never to cease. God is never able, as they see it, to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent, whereas the only freedom of man which the scriptures affirm is the freedom of deliverance we find alone in Christ Jesus.”
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#9 – A SNIPPET FROM A CLOUD OF WITNESSES – J.W. HANSON

“The deliverance of the whole human family from sin and sorrow, its final holiness and happiness, has been the thought of multitudes, even when the prevailing doctrines around them were wholly hostile.”

A book of quotes by a multitude of believers in universal salvation.
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#10 – A SNIPPET FROM TRUTH AS I SEE IT – W.F. SALTER

“Does God not love His enemies, even as He has taught us to love ours? If He fails to reconcile even one, must it not be due to a lack of love, or of power? These qualities find their source in Him! So of a certainty He shall bring circumstances to bear which shall ultimately cause all to know, with understanding, His great love manifested in the gift of His Son, and this in turn shall fill each heart with adoration and love, and praise to God.

When God’s plans for the ages of time (eonian times) have been accomplished, every experience of man will, under the guidance of His wisdom, work together with every other experience for man’s highest ultimate good, and thus redound to God’s honour and glory.”
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#11 – A SNIPPET FROM A SHORT HELP AND INCENTIVE TO AN UNBIASED INQUIRY INTO THE SCRIPTURE TRUTH OF UNIVERSALISM OR THE FINAL RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS – R. ROE

“The adjective aionios, in the case of the wicked, is restricted to a limited period by its noun kolasis; of which the literal sense is clipping or pruning. It means the kind of punishment which tends to the improvement of the criminal. If endless were the sense of the adjective describing chastisement, it would represent God as acting under the influence of an endlessly vain expectation.

The belief of the Universalist includes a reconciliation of the tenets of Calvinism and Arminianism, by uniting the leading doctrines of both as far as they are found in the Scriptures; from which union they believe that the sentiment of Universal Restoration naturally flows.”
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#12 – A SNIPPET FROM THE FIVE SMOOTH STONES OF THE KINGDOM – IRENE LINDSAY

“It is a great giant, this one called eternal hell!!! It can only be killed by the stone of truth taken from the running waters of God’s word. These waters have been running for a long time, but the stone to kill the giant is ready now.

God told Israel to set everything free in the year of Jubilee. God is going to have a Jubilee in totality over all sin, all death, and all destruction in this world. This world belongs to God and it shall be restored and shine with glory. God’s tapestry is unrolling bit by bit, and when it is all unrolled, the great Jubilee of rest for the entire universe will be unveiled.”
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#13 – A SNIPPET FROM TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY - G.T. STEVENSON

“Many plain direct statements in the sacred scriptures declare that the purpose of God through our Lord Jesus Christ is to bless all humanity and to bring the whole universe into harmony with Himself.

How can this be if myriads of mankind whom He so loves were to be kept alive forever in hopeless misery? And what kind of a god could love the sinner with Calvary love until he died, and then leave him in indescribable suffering eternally?”
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#14 – A SNIPPET FROM THE DIVINE DESTINY – K. ROSS MCKAY

“The great enmity of mankind is but a background to magnify and display the far greater love of our God. Such love is as measureless as it is timeless; a vast portion being yet unrevealed. ‘And having made peace through the blood of Christ’s cross, by Him to reconcile all unto Himself, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.’ This plan of the ages is our Lord’s ultimate purpose according to the declared will of Almighty God. This is the divine destiny of all in His creation. This is love that never fails.”
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#15 – A SNIPPET FROM IS HELL ETERNAL? – MIKKEL DAHL AND JON R. WELKER

“Many Christian ministers seek only to search out passages of scripture that corroborate the eternal hell school of theology to which they belong; and whatever passages are unfortunately found in conflict are put through the required interpretations and contortions to disqualify for entry. Christian ministers all have posts to fill; they have a job to hold down; wherefore they dare not reach out for truth lest they should see too much and their conscience disturb them and their livelihood be imperilled.”
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#16 – A SNIPPET FROM THE DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL TORMENTS OVERTHROWN – by Samuel Richardson, edited by Thomas Whittemore, and published by Thomas Whittemore in 1833. On page 85, Whittemore says that Richardson wrote his book nearly 200 years before 1833.

First of all, there is what Richardson wrote nearly 200 years before 1833: “The doctrine of endless hell torments hath caused many to murder themselves, taking away their own lives by poison, stabbing, drowning, hanging, strangling, and shooting themselves, casting themselves out of windows, and from high places, to break their necks and by other kinds of death, that they might not live to increase their sin, and increase their torments in hell.”

Now here is what Whittemore the editor, wrote at the bottom of the page nearly 200 years later in 1833:
“Here we see the same dreadful effects attended the doctrine of endless misery nearly 200 years ago which attend it now. It was then the cause of anxiety, despair, and suicide, as we suppose it always was before, where fully believed, and as we know it has been of late years. Let posterity know, that within the last ten years, there have been a large number of suicides, which must be attributed to the doctrine of endless torment. That doctrine makes men melancholy; it drives them to despair; they know not what to do; and they sever the brittle thread, Fathers and Mothers, in repeated instances in the United States, have murdered their children, lest they should grow up, and commit sin, and be damned. Can a doctrine which produces such dreadful consequences be the doctrine of God?” End of Quote.
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#17 – A SNIPPET FROM THE GREEK WORD AION – AIONIOS TRANSLATED EVERLASTING – ETERNAL IN THE HOLY BIBLE SHOWN TO DENOTE LIMITED DURATION – JOHN WESLEY HANSON

“The word aidios (not aionios) was in universal use among the non-Christian Greek Jews of our Savior's day, to convey the idea of eternal duration, and was used by them to teach endless punishment.

Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of His disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which His contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment? Jesus never adopted the language of His day on this subject. Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment. His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction. They described unending ruin, He, discipline, resulting in reformation.”
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html
See the first item under APPENDIX
AIDIOS – AN IMPORTANT WORD CONSIDERED
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#18 - A LETTER OF THE CELEBRATED JOHN FOSTER TO A YOUNG MINISTER ON THE DURATION OF FUTURE PUNISHMENT AND AN EARNEST APPEAL TO THE AMERICAN TRACT SOCIETY IN REGARDS TO THE CHARACTER OF ITS PUBLICATIONS – JOHN FOSTER

“The original terms translated everlasting, eternal, forever, are often employed in the Bible, as well as other writings under various limitations of import and are thus withdrawn from the predicament of meaning endless duration.

Since the terms do not necessarily signify an interminable duration, and since there is in the present instance to be pleaded for admitting a limited interpretation, a reason in the moral estimate of things of stupendous infinite urgency involving our perceptions of the divine goodness, and leaving those conceptions overwhelmed in darkness and horror if it be rejected, I therefore conclude that a limited interpretation is authorized.”
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#19 - IS HELL ETERNAL OR WILL GOD’S PLAN FAIL - CHARLES H. PRIDGEON

“The plan of God, or as it literally reads ‘according to the plan of the ages’ (Eph.3:11) will work out as God purposed; It will not fail. God shall be All in all (1Cor.15:28). The saving work of Christ will continue throughout the ages, for Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and for the ages (Heb.13:8). God’s purpose and plan in creation, redemption, and new creation will then be clearly apprehended by all, and His character will be unveiled and vindicated.”
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#20 - THE GOSPEL FROM OUTER SPACE – ROBERT SHORT

“The gospel of love heard from the churches is at bottom a gospel at gunpoint. This gospel claims to speak of a great love, but only one step behind this “love” is an unspoken, or often very vocal great threat – the threat of eternity in “hell” if we refuse this love. What a travesty of love, even human love, not to mention God’s! For one would think that God’s love ought to be at least as great as what human beings are capable of. It is precisely the implied or expressed threat of eternal perdition that compromises the churches’ ‘gospel of love,’ and gives this ‘gospel’ the lie to ordinary people, and is in fact behind by far, most of atheism.

On the other hand, this is not the quality of mercy I see in God. I get the strong feeling of an infinite, unconditional, no-strings-attached love for all people. At the same time this love is all-powerful and sovereign. It is not so flimsy and pitifully weak that it can be finally frustrated or defeated by mere human whim or by meagre man’s arrogant illusion called ‘free will.’ ”
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#21 - THE GREAT REVELATION OR GOD’S LOVE, PURPOSE AND PLAN – JOHN H. PATON

“Some say that if it can be proved that the punishment of the wicked will have an end, the same argument will prove that the life of the righteous will also end. But this is too much to take for granted on such a premise. Aionios does not of itself indicate either the limited or unlimited duration of anything, but its duration in each case depends on the nature of that to which it is applied.

Colored glasses give color to whatever men look at, and it is difficult for many to divest themselves of the influence of former teaching so far as to be willing to look at a thing from the standpoint of another.

Some of us have done this however. Though trained in the old school of thought, we have been enabled, by a careful examination of the Scriptures, to throw off the old idea and to accept the larger and better hope. And we are assured that the plan of the ages with its progressive revelation, and the general scope and spirit of the gospel as a revelation of the infinite love and wisdom of God, are far stronger evidence of the final victory of Christ in saving all men, than the mere definition of any word could be.”
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#22 - AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS – LOUIS ABBOTT

In the forward to his book AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS, Louis Abbott wrote, “One key area various denominations are divided over is the final destiny of the ungodly, the wicked, the unsaved, the unregenerate, or however one wishes to phrase it.
There are three views on this subject. Each position claims Scriptural support: (1) eternal torment; (2) eternal destruction; and (3) the ultimate salvation of all. It is obvious that all cannot be correct.
I pray this book will be a blessing to all who are struggling with this subject.” (unquote)

This book can be read online at this link
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

ENJOY!

Gary Amirault interviews Greek scholar Louis Abbott about his belief that the Bible teaches universal salvation (in eight parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoNxjUAAi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuoRnAsugew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAsVTXJYEHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sblmYiX4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfx6tcwq3M4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM5fSRDxVwg
http://tentmaker.org/video2/tag/athiest/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWeKXdNhyg
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#23 - DARE WE HOPE THAT ALL MEN BE SAVED – HANS URS VON BALTHASAR
(These 254 pages are essentially an explanation of why he makes the following statement)

“The whole of scripture is full of the proclamation of a salvation that binds all men by a Redeemer Who gathers together and reconciles the whole universe. That is quite sufficient to enable us to hope for the salvation of all men without thereby coming into contradiction with the Word of God.”
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#24 - GOD’S ULTIMATE – A.E. SAXBY

“We do not wish to belittle the awful judgments of God. They will be terrible enough. But we desire to get all the perspective of Scripture and look to the end God has in view.

We do not believe that orthodox theology has done this. It has stopped short in the ages themselves and has misnamed them eternity, and has therefore presented the vision of a heaven full of saints and a hell full of tortured sinners in endless existence. In such a survey of the ultimate there is no place for the vision that Paul gives when God shall be All in all (1Cor. 15:28).

We contend that nothing less than the reconciliation of all would satisfy the heart of God and be a fitting consummation to the shedding of the blood of His Son.”
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#25 - A SPIRITUAL AUTOBIOGRAPHY – WILLIAM BARCLAY

“I am a convinced universalist. I believe that in the end all men will be gathered into the love of God. The only victory love can enjoy is the day when its offer of love is answered by the return of love. The only possible final triumph is a universe loved by and in love with God.”
[Quoted from William Barclay: A Spiritual Autobiography, William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, 1977.]

The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure." (unquote)
This is his comment regarding Matthew 25:46.
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#26 - THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION – ADLAI LOUDY

“The crowning glory of the ‘good news’ or evangel of the untraceable riches of Christ which Paul was granted the grace to bring to the ‘gentiles’ or nations, is the revelation that He will reconcile all to God.

What a marvellous outcome of God’s purpose! What a wonderful Christ Who can accomplish such a complete and glorious reconciliation! All creatures, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens, reconciled in perfect peace to the great love of God through the Son of His love.

More of these untraceable honours and glories of Christ which Paul was granted the grace to reveal, could be pointed out with delight, but these will suffice to increase our faith, enrich our joy and brighten our expectation ‘in Him in Whom our lot was cast also,’ Christ Jesus our Lord, Life, and Head!”
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#27 - CHRIST TRIUMPHANT – THOMAS ALLIN

It is true that aionios may be applied as an epithet to things that are endless, but the idea of endlessness in all such cases comes not from the epithet, but only because it is inherent in the object to which the epithet is applied, as in the case of God.

‘This is life eternal’ should be ‘the life of the ages,’ i.e. peculiar to those ages in which the scheme of salvation is being worked out. The ‘eternal covenant’ is the ‘covenant of the ages,’ the covenant peculiar to the ages of redemption. The ‘eternal purpose’ is really the purpose of ‘the ages,’ i.e. developed and worked out in ‘the ages.’

We who teach the larger hope believe that not in this brief life only, but through future ages, Christ’s work shall go on till the last straying sheep shall have been found by the Good Shepherd. Then, at the expiry of these ages ‘cometh the end’ when Christ shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, and God shall be All in all (1Cor. 15:28).
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#28 - THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF UNIVERSALISM – HOSEA BALLOU
From the time of the apostles to the era of the reformation 1498.

“I have been careful to state, in his own words, the opinion of every Christian author extant concerning future punishment and the eventual salvation of the world. This history contains an account of every individual of note whom we have now the means of knowing to have been a universalist.”
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#29 - THE MODERN HISTORY OF UNIVERSALISM – THOMAS WHITTEMORE
Contains the writings of several hundreds of Christian Universalists from 1498 to 1830.

A snippet from Thomas Whittemore reads, “I cannot permit this opportunity to pass without expressing my heart felt acknowledgements to that Being Who has preserved my health and enabled me to finish this work in the midst of other pressing and incessant duties. May my confidence in Him never be diminished.”
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#30 – THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – ANDREW JUKES

“It is argued that whatever be the meaning of the word aionios in the case of the lost, the same must be its meaning in the case of the saved; and our certainty of never-ending bliss for penitent believers is gone if the word bears not the same signification in the case of the impenitent and unbelieving. But the truth is that this word describes not the quantity or duration, but the quality of that which it is predicated.

The word which in Matt. 25:46 we translate punishment, in its primary sense means ‘pruning’ and is always used for corrective discipline which is for the improvement of him who suffers it. Even those who hold the common view of the endlessness of punishment are obliged to confess this; and this of itself proves that their doctrine is untenable; for any punishment, be it for a longer or shorter time would not be corrective discipline, but quite another thing if it left those who were so corrected unimproved and lost forever. But from the fall till now the changeless way of the Lord is to make even the curse a blessing.”
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#31 - YOU SAID IT LORD – ALINE TALSMA

“Lord, did you really say in Your word what I used to believe You said? Is it actually ok with You that people will spend eternity in hell? No, no, a thousand times no! You do not say that - and I am so relieved. Because had You said that, it would follow that I would have to think of You as worse than a murderer, that is, as a tormentor. If a person is murdered at least the possibility of torture and torment is past. But if I were to believe that You have prepared an eternal hell for some, I would also have to believe that You can be happy while you are tormenting people eternally.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:09 am

#32 - THOUGHTS ON THE DIVINE GOODNESS RELATIVE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF MORAL AGENTS PARTICULARLY DISPLAYED IN FUTURE REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS – FERDINAND OLIVER PETITPIERRE

“I am assured that goodness is the foundation, and happiness is the end of all the ways of God, to myself and every creature. Hope is the anchor of my soul, sure and steadfast; for though ‘His ways should be in the deep and His paths in the mighty waters;’ though I should experience every external evil; no affliction shall shake my confidence. Never will I dishonour by a moment’s distrust, a Being Who has in mercy commanded me to ‘cast all my care upon Him;’ because ‘He careth for me.’

I have in the whole of this treatise, in establishing the doctrine of perfect goodness, and following it in its consequences; constantly combated such erroneous opinions as represent the Creator of the human race as a Being Whose power will be employed in inflicting never ending torments on a portion of His creatures, and I have established the non-eternity of future torments.”
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:13 pm

#33 - HOPE BEYOND HELL – GERRY BEAUCHEMIN
(recently published and can be downloaded FREE, and read online)

”Tradition has taught that God will not save a person against their will. I agree. However He has the power to orchestrate whatever circumstances are necessary to effect one’s will to change.

Once a full revelation of God is received in the ages to come (Eph. 2:7), men will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord just as Isaiah and Paul prophesied (Is. 45:21-25; Rom. 4:11; Ph. 2:9-11). Who would want to continue in active and persistent rebellion knowing God only wants what is best for them? Knowing the great goodness and love of God, along with the Holy Spirit working in their hearts, these hardened hearts must melt before His glorious being.

It is impossible that an omnipotent God can fail in His purpose so that some would forever resist unconditional love opting for everlasting pain. This would be totally irrational. And even if one were that irrational, such resistance would not arise out of a ‘free’ will, but an ‘enslaved’ will, a will in bondage to an enslaved mind.”

Believers in eternal torment will probably not want to have anything to do with this link, but others on this forum might.
Why not check it out?
Read the reviews first – just a suggestion.
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/what-others-are-saying/
HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN
http://hopebeyondhell.net/
It can be downloaded FREE and read online.

HOPE BEYOND HELL BOOK AUDIO - Gerry Beauchemin
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/audio-book-with-text/

In my opinion, this is the best book ever written in support of the belief that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not eternal suffering, or even annihilation.
And I say that, after having read several dozens of them.
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