SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Arguments/positions in defense of Evangelical Universalism.

Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:48 am

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME

While believers are enjoying life eonian, unbelievers will experience kolasis eonian which means age-during corrective chastisement. When the corrective chastisement has been achieved in everyone who needs it, then both life eonian and chastisement eonian will come to an end and eternity will continue with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.

A snippet from
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

Many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

SEE

THE SCHOLAR’S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html
and
THE EONS
http://martinzender.com/Zenderature/the_eons.htm
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:06 pm

GOD’S “CONVERSION” – Kenneth Larsen

God’s “Conversion” : A mythological saga of our Heavenly Father’s change
of character, as told by theologians, ancient and modern.

In Adam, all are dying, for the creation was subjected to vanity. 1
Cor. 15:22; Ro. 8:20. It was through one offense for all mankind for
condemnation. Ro. 5:18. We were all constituted sinners through the
disobedience of one man. Ro. 5:19. This collective perdition came
through no choice of ours as individuals, but is our inheritance, our
fate.

Nevertheless, so the story goes, there came a time when God, wanting
to conform His doings to the highest ethical standards, set Himself
upon a radically different course. Henceforth, He would not act
arbitrarily, but only in accordance with the rights and sovereign
choices of the individual; from then on He was to obtain permission
from His creature before acting on his or her behalf. In contrast to
the collective loss, salvation was to be an individual matter, and
subject to obtaining cooperation from His subjects. No more “spiritual
collectivism”; now God had enthusiastically embraced the “spiritual
free market”. Our Heavenly Father was now, henceforth and officially,
a “Gentleman”, and would no longer force anything upon anyone; He
would subject His will that all mankind be saved to the whims of the
very creation He had formerly confined under collective condemnation.
1 Tim. 2:1-6. The “plan of salvation” would consist of Christ offering
salvation to all, and then being satisfied with whatever percentage He
could manage to save. Isaiah 53. He would be honorifically titled “the
Savior of all mankind”, but that would really amount to nothing more
than wishful thinking, for He would especially (that is, only, as the
story goes) save those who believe during this life. 1 Tim. 4:9-11.

Did God truly change His dealings with mankind? Does He really change?
Of course not! Mal. 3:6; Heb. 1:12; 13:8; Jn. 14:9; 10:30. “For even
as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be
vivified.” 1 Cor. 15:22. “Even as… thus also…”- In similar fashion to
the collective death, is the collective life! Romans 5:15- “But not as
the offense, thus also the grace. For if, by the offense of the one,
the many died, much rather the grace of God and the gratuity in grace,
which is of the One Man, Jesus Christ, to the many superabounds.” Who
are the many who died because of Adam’s offense? All mankind. And so,
much rather, God’s gratuity in grace, through Christ’s perfect life
and obedience to the death of the cross, SUPERABOUNDS to the many- all
mankind! Does the salvation of some of those lost suggest a
superabundance of grace? No! Does a collective, obligatory
condemnation to sin and death, coupled with an individual, optional
justification of life constitute a superabundance of grace? Not by a
long shot! God subjected the creation to vanity in HOPE! Ro. 8:20. Did
He hope that the entrance of sin would cause even one to be
permanently lost? Of course not! Lk. 15:3-32.

Ro. 5:18, 19- “Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for
all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award
for all mankind for life's justifying. For even as, through the
disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus
also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted
just.” As it was through Adam (a collective condemnation), THUS ALSO
it will be through Christ (a collective justification of life)! God
promises a universal reconciliation. Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:5-11. He
will draw all creation to Himself, using whatever loving means He has
at His disposal, including judgments. Jn. 12:32; 1:9-13; 1 Cor.
3:10-15; Lk. 12:45-49. Our Heavenly Father will confer faith and
repentance upon all, at the time He chooses. 2 Pt.3:9; Acts 5:31;
11:18; 17:31; 2 Tim. 2:25. Obviously, our stubborn will must be
subdued, but take heart, for “Not stronger that He are we!” 1 Cor.
10:22; Is. 45:22, 23. Our unchanging God will be All in all! 1 Cor.
15:20-28.

EDITOR’S NOTE

Some ask, Why does it say "the many" instead of "all" in Roman 5:19?

This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with "the many."

We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus "the many" equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus "the many" equals all mankind made righteous.

That "the one" plus "the many" made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.

Even so, "the One" plus "the many" made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:31 pm

GOD’S WRATH

God's wrath ends:
Micah 7:18 You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy.

Isaiah 57:16 I will not accuse them forever,
nor will I always be angry,
for then they would faint away because of me—
the very people I have created.

Rev 15:1 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.

So God's wrath does not go on indefinitely; it is completed at some point.

All are to be reconciled:
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Eph 1:9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,
10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

Ultimately God is all in all:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
1 Cor 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:42 pm

GRACE, PLUS NOTHING – James Coram

This is not to say that our efforts are not essential or that there will be nothing for us to do since it is God Who saves us from our failings. To the contrary, God graciously saves us by causing us to work, “training us that, disowning irreverence and worldly desires, we should be living sanely and justly and devoutly in the current eon” Titus 2:11,12. But our efforts are merely a product; they are the means through which God saves us. We contribute nothing.

It is not a question of our discipline and volition, but of pride and self-reliance concerning our discipline and volition, of boasting in the flesh instead of glorying in the transforming power of God. As long as we continue to see ourselves, in the final sense, as the key to anything, we will remain proud, antagonistic to “the grace of God in truth” Col. 1:6.

It is one thing to conceive of ourselves, in a dutiful sense and relatively speaking, as “cooperating” with the Lord Jesus, as He leads us into paths of better service. It is quite another, however, proudly to fancy ourselves to be so utterly independent of the Supreme Deity Himself, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, that even He is at a loss to change our will or walk without our help.

Luke 6:32-35 shows us what God's grace (thanks) is; He is gracious to the wicked, which means sinners like we all were when He was gracious to us. It's not that we have to preach so they can be saved, otherwise we're responsible for their "eternal damnation", and they have to receive the message (if we happen to present it to them), or else they will be eternally damned. Salvation is not based on human actions, but on divine actions. He chooses who to save and when, and at that moment, that soul is saved. And He will save all, as He has clearly said He will do.

We believe the message we heard, and we preach because we are so commanded, but God doesn't depend upon us to save ourselves, nor does He depend upon our conveying the message, to save others. He is the only Sovereign, and He so arranges EVERYTHING that each will be saved. Free will and chance are myths which have completely twisted the mindset of many Christians.

Luke 6:32-35 is a wonderful example of char’is (thanks or grace) - grace is not given in response to human cooperation; grace brings about a response on the part of the recipient, but the grace saves, not the response. God saves us freely, for the gratuity in grace to all mankind superabounds! Romans 5:15.

Matthew 11:23 is an example that whether or not we repent depends on God.
Sodom would have repented had the mighty works that Jesus did in Capernaum been done in Sodom.
The question of course arises, why didn’t God send someone into Sodom to do those mighty works that would have caused their repentance?
The answer is that God decides when He will grant repentance just like He did for Saul of Tarsus.
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:49 pm

By Hannah Whitall Smith
“…I seemed to catch a fresh and clearer revelation of the depth of the misery that had been caused to human beings by sin. It was more than I could bear. I clenched my hands and cried out in my soul, "O, God, how canst Thou bear it? Thou mightest have prevented it, but didst not. Thou mightest even now change it, but Thou dost not. I do not see how Thou canst go on living, and endure it." I upbraided God. And I felt I was justified in doing so. Then suddenly God seemed to answer me. An inward voice said, in tones of infinite love and tenderness, "He shall see of the travail of His soul and be satisfied." "Satisfied!" I cried in my heart, "Christ is to be satisfied! He will be able to look at the world's misery, and then at the travail through which He has passed because of it, and will be satisfied with the result; If I were Christ, nothing could satisfy me but that every human being should in the end be saved, and therefore I am sure that nothing less will satisfy Him." And with this a veil seemed to be withdrawn from before the plans of the universe, and I saw that it was true, as the Bible says, that "as in Adam all die-even so in Christ should all be made alive." As was the first, even so was the second. The "all" in one case could not in fairness mean less than the "all" in the other. I saw therefore that the remedy must necessarily be equal to the disease, the salvation must be as universal as the fall.
I saw all this that day on the tram-car on Market street, Philadelphia -- not only thought it, or hoped it, or even believed it--but knew it. It was a Divine fact. And from that moment I have never had one questioning thought as to the final destiny of the human race. God is the Creator of every human being, therefore He is the Father of each one, and they are all His children; and Christ died for every one, and is declared to be "the propitiation not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). However great the ignorance therefore, or however grievous the sin, the promise of salvation is positive and without limitations. If it is true that "by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation," it is equally true that "by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." To limit the last "all men" is also to limit the first. The salvation is absolutely equal to the fall. There is to be a final "restitution of all things," when "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Every knee, every tongue- words could not be more embracing. The how and the when I could not see; but the one essential fact was all I needed- somewhere and somehow God was going to make every thing right for all the creatures He had created. My heart was at rest about it forever.
I hurried home to get hold of my Bible, to see if the magnificent fact I had discovered could possibly have been all this time in the Bible, and I had not have seen it; and the moment I entered the house, I did not wait to take off my bonnet, but rushed at once to the table where I always kept my Bible and Concordance ready for use, and began my search. Immediately the whole Book seemed to be illuminated. On every page the truth concerning the "times of restitution of all things" of which the Apostle Peter says "God Hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began," shone forth, and no room was left for questioning. I turned greedily from page to page of my Bible, fairly laughing aloud for joy at the blaze of light that illuminated it all. It became a new book. Another skin seemed to have been peeled off every text, and my Bible fairly shone with a new meaning. I do not say with a different meaning, for in no sense did the new meaning contradict the old, but a deeper meaning, the true meaning, hidden behind the outward form of words. The words did not need to be changed, they only needed to be understood; and now at last I began to understand them.”

A snippet from The Unselfishness of God and How I Discovered It
By Hannah Whitall Smith
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/unselfishness-of-god.htm
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:57 pm

THE HAPPY GOD

THE GLORY OF THE HAPPY GOD – ARTHUR CHARLES LAMB

“We read in 1Tim. 1:11 that Paul was entrusted with the evangel of the glory of the happy God. We read in 1Tim. 2:4 that God wills that all mankind be saved and come into a knowledge of the truth, and that Christ Jesus gave Himself a correspondent ransom for all (2:6).

Our God is a happy God. In Ephesians 1:10,11 we learn of the secret of God’s will, and this accords with His delight. It gives God joy and happiness and delight to purpose and bring about ‘an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ.’
Such an evangel is certainly for the laud of His glory.”
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM MY HARD COPY UR LIBRARY

Postby rodgertutt » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:39 pm

This anonymous article came into my inbox. – Barry Kearns
HELL DOES IT EXIST?

Does "Hell" really exist? Is there a "Hell" in the Bible?
Hell no! There is no "Hell" in the Bible!

Name withheld- an editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry and a "recovering fundamentalist"

Hell is child abuse, pure and simple. We need to end the emotional, psychological and

spiritual abuse of millions of innocent children by their pastors, Sunday school teachers and

parents, today. And as I intend to prove, there is no reason for adults to threaten children

with hell (children grow up, a fact that continually eludes Christian theologians who insist

that Jesus loves the little children, and yet may turn his back on them when they reach the

mysterious "age of accountability," which was never mentioned in relation to salvation by

Jesus or any apostle or Hebrew prophet).

Would it surprise you to know that the God of the Bible and his prophets never condemned

anyone to "hell" at any age? Here is a simple proof that there is no reason to believe

in "hell," according to the Bible itself:

• There is no mention of "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death anywhere in the

Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament (OT).

• The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave," not "hell." This can easily be

confirmed because if Sheol is translated as "hell" the Christian dogma of hell as an

inescapable place of suffering where God is absent is immediately refuted. This is true

because:

(1) King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would be there with him;

(2) Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol;

(3) The sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol; and

(4) The prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and

yet Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all

Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell""? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave"

and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!

• This has been confirmed by conservative Bible scholars because there is no mention of the

word "hell" in the OTs of the NIV (the best-selling Bible), the NABRE (produced by the

Roman Catholic Church), the HCSB (published by the famously literal Southern Baptist

Convention), and most other modern translations of the Bible.

• Furthermore, in biblical chronologies spanning thousands of years, the God of the Bible

and his Hebrew prophets never mentioned any possibility of punishment after death.

Nothing like "hell" was even remotely suggested to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Job,

Moses, David, and Solomon, at all.

• In fact, "hell" was never mentioned even to the worst people at the worst of times.

"Hell" was never mentioned to Cain (the first murderer), nor to the people guilty of the

wickedness that led to the Great Flood, nor to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, nor even

to the Pharaoh who enslaved the Hebrew tribes and defied God repeatedly.

• We can further verify this because there are no Old Test. warnings about the need to

repent in order to avoid suffering after death. In the OT, people were being warned about

the need to repent in order to avoid suffering and death here, on this planet, in this life.

• Of course it makes absolutely no sense to only warn people about temporal (earthly)

punishments if they face eternal suffering. Therefore according to the Bible, "hell" clearly

did not preexist.

• But there is no mention of the creation or purpose of "hell" in the New Testament (NT).

Nor is there any verse in the entire Bible that ever announced that the penalty for sin

changed from death to "hell." Why would God clearly announce the penalty of death before

it was enacted, but never once mention the far more serious penalty of hell before it was

enacted? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

• A loving, compassionate, wise, just God could not create an "eternal hell" and fail to

immediately warn the whole world about it. But obviously the whole world was not warned

about the creation of "hell." Native Americans knew absolutely nothing about hell before

1492. Billions of people have lived and died never having heard anything about hell or Jesus

Christ. Would anyone who had never read the Bible consider God to be just if he died and

woke up in hell? Of course not!

• An eternal hell would make God monstrously unjust, but according to the Bible

itself, "hell" did not preexist and was never created. From beginning to end, the Bible is

absolutely silent about either the preexistence or creation of "hell."

• Furthermore, the Greek word "Hades" does not mean "hell." As with Sheol, everyone

went to Hades when they died: both words clearly mean "the grave."

• Gehenna is not "hell" either, but a physical location in Israel known in Hebrew as

Gehinnom, or the Valley of Hinnom.

Today Gehenna is a lovely park and tourist attraction. Wonderful archeological discoveries

have been made there, such as the healing pool of Siloam and the oldest Bible verses ever

discovered, inscribed on small silver amulets. Those verses are the benediction "The

LORD bless thee and keep thee; the LORD make his countenance to shine upon thee and

be gracious unto thee." Those are wonderfully comforting words to have been discovered

in "hell," don't you think?

• What does all this mean? If you believe in a loving, compassionate, wise, just God, you

might conclude that "hell" has always been either an error of translation or an outright

human fabrication. Why would human beings invent hell?

Well, as ancient Greek philosophers like Celsus pointed out, hell was a good way to control

the unwashed masses. Hell was also a handy way to increase church attendance and

revenues.

But perhaps the best reason not to believe in hell is this: If at any time God, Jesus, the

Hebrew prophets, or any of the apostles were aware of the existence of an "eternal hell,"

they should have immediately warned human beings never to have children, because the

risk of giving birth was too terrible to imagine.

But of course there are no such warnings in the Bible. Rather, Hebrew prophets like Ezekiel

confidently predicted that all Israel would be saved in the end, along with Sodom and other

Gentile nations that were historically enemies of Israel, such as Samaria. Samaria is now

home to millions of Palestinians, many of them either enemies or fierce critics of Israel.

Most Jews and Palestinians have never believed in Jesus, so how can all Israel and Samaria

be saved, if only Christians are saved?

How did "hell" enter the Bible? Ironically, the only Jews who believed in "hell" at the

time of Jesus were the Pharisees. We know this from the Jewish historian Josephus, a

contemporary of Paul. The Pharisees undoubtedly "borrowed" the concept of "hell" from

the pagan Greeks after Alexander the Great conquered the Middle East during the "silent"

period between the writing of the Old Test. and New Test.

But the Greek hell was Tartarus, not Hades. As we will see, there is one verse only, in the

entire Bible containing a word that actually means hell, but that hell is not for human beings,

nor is it eternal. To note: 2 Peter 2:4-6)

***

Chad Holtz is a Methodist pastor who was recently asked to resign by members of his rural

North Carolina congregation after he questioned the Christian dogma of an "eternal hell."

Holtz had made positive remarks about the bestseller book Love Wins, written by Rob Bell,

another pastor who questions the existence of "hell." (Bell was the focus of the cover of the

April 25, 2011 issue of TIME Magazine, captioned "What If There's No Hell?")

Holtz agreed to leave his church in what he termed a "divorce." In an interview published

online Holt said, "We do these somersaults to justify the monster god we believe in ... Am I

really going to be saved just because I believe something, when all these good people in the

world aren't?"

Mind you, Holtz is not saying that God is a monster. Instead, he's simply pointing out that

orthodox Christianity makes God seem like a monster by claiming he'll condemn billions

of people to an "eternal hell" for not "believing" in Jesus, when he could have saved them

by grace. But how can a God who chooses to remain hidden demand human belief? That is

patently unfair.

If a man refused to introduce himself to other people, then started torturing them for

not "believing" in him, we'd lock him up and throw away the key. But as I intend to prove,

if you will bear with me, that the Bible itself contradicts the idea that God ever said that

anyone would go to an "eternal hell." In fact, if we read the Bible chronologically from the

beginning of Genesis to the end of the book of Acts (the self-recorded history of the early

Christian church), we will not find a single verse in which God or any Hebrew prophet or

Jesus or any apostle ever mentioned a place called "hell."

This is true because the words Sheol, Hades and Gehenna do not mean "hell." The Hebrew

word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The

Greek word Hades also means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad."

Gehenna is a valley, not "hell."

According to the Bible "hell" clearly did not preexist and just as clearly was never created.

Did evil-minded men begin damning other people to "hell" in the name of God? Yes, they

did. But they cobbled their hellish verses into the Bible so clumsily that they forget to insert

fictitious verses announcing the creation of "hell"! Such a colossal blunder could only have

been made by fallible men, not an all-wise God.

***

If we consider the Bible as a whole, from multiple angles, it becomes obvious that "hell"

was created by human beings, not God. The verses that describe suffering after death

are not credible, and the proofs are simple. For instance, a verse in Genesis 3:3) clearly

announced that the penalty for sin was death, as soon as the penalty was enacted. But where

is there any verse in the Bible that clearly announced when the penalty became eternal

suffering?

Where is there any verse in the Bible that clearly announced the creation or purpose

of "hell"? There are no such verses anywhere in the Bible. Nor are there any verses that

unclearly announce such things. The Bible is completely, absolutely silent about the most

important event in human history (if it actually occurred): the creation of a place called

"hell" and the change of the penalty for sin from death to eternal damnation.

How could a loving, wise, just God create an "eternal hell" yet never once mention its

creation and purpose to any of his prophets or apostles? How could a loving, wise, just God

cause or allow billions of people to suffer for all eternity when they died knowing nothing

about the Bible, Jesus or "hell"? Why would God save "the chosen few" by grace, but deny

any chance of grace to billions of people who never heard of Jesus?

***

At the time of Jesus and Paul, "the entire world" meant the Roman Empire: a narrow strip

of cities, towns and villages fringing the Mediterranean Sea.

The early Christians knew nothing about vast continents that wouldn't be discovered and

explored for another 1,500 years or more: North America, South America and Australia.

They knew nothing about China, Japan, Southeast Asia, Central and Southern Africa,

Russia, or thousands of faraway islands. When they vowed to preach the gospel to "the

entire world," they had no idea what that really entailed.

So what happened to the billions of human beings who lived and died in the meantime,

knowing nothing about the Bible or Jesus? If God condemned them all to "hell," that would

make God horrendously unjust, and therefore unqualified to judge human beings. But if

people who hadn't heard about Jesus didn't go to "hell," while people who heard about

Jesus and rejected him did, then it would be a terrible crime for Christians to ever mention

the name "Jesus" to non-Christians.

Furthermore, through the centuries Christians have so defamed and blasphemed the name

of Jesus by raping, enslaving and murdering multitudes of non-Christians that it makes no

sense to expect non-Christians to "believe" in him. Should a Jewish girl who was raped,

tortured and murdered by German Christians during the Holocaust be punished eternally

for not converting to their religion? Heaven forbid!

***

I believe Holtz made a very important point: one that is seldom voiced by Christians. If

Jesus will cause or allow Mohandas Gandhi and Jewish Holocaust victims to suffer for

all eternity, when the Christian Bible clearly says that Jesus is the only savior and human

beings can't save themselves, wouldn't that make Jesus a monster?

If an all-knowing God created human beings foreseeing in advance that many (or any)

of them would suffer for all eternity, wouldn't that also make God a monster? And if

Christian mothers believe in "hell," how can they give life to babies who might end up in

"hell" — wouldn't that make them monsters?

This is the horror of hell-based Christianity: it turns God, Jesus and Christian mothers into

monsters willing to play eternal roulette with the souls of innocent children.

And what about all the mothers who would be forced to choose between Jesus and their

own children? Could good mothers live happily in heaven with Jesus, knowing their

children were suffering forever because Jesus refused to save them, when he was able

to save the thief on the cross with a nod of his head? Surely only the bad mothers would

remain in heaven. All the good mothers would curse Jesus and storm out of heaven to be

with their children. They certainly wouldn't worship or praise the petty egomaniac who

demanded belief without ever bothering to introduce himself to their children personally!

Please keep in mind that I am not calling Jesus a petty egomaniac. It's the "Bible believing"

fundamentalists who turned Jesus into a petty monster with their bizarre theology, not me.

I'm a recovering fundamentalist who no longer blasphemes the name of Jesus by accusing

him of saving Christians by "grace" while condemning the saints of other religions and

non-religions to an "eternal hell." Ironically, most atheists, agnostics and other nonChristians have much higher opinions of Jesus that Christians who accuse him of being

petty, unjust and inhumanly cruel.

Gandhi and Einstein both admired Jesus, while not "believing" in him in the orthodox

Christian sense. But at least they didn't accuse him of being so petty and cruel that he

would cause or allow billions of souls to suffer for all eternity. Most Muslims believe in

Jesus and have a high opinion of him, but they don't believe he sends people to "hell" for

not "believing" in him.

Ironically, the people with the lowest, basest opinions of Jesus are the Christians who

pretend to "love" and "admire" him in order to "save" themselves, while in effect telling

the rest of the world that he's the Devil. How can anyone "love" a being capable of causing

or allowing their loved ones to suffer for all eternity?

That would be like me pretending to "love" and "admire" Hitler during the Holocaust, in

order to escape torture at the hands of the Nazis. But of course the driving impulse would

be fear, not love. The Bible says perfect love casts out fear because fear produces torment.

Should I believe in the perfect love of God or in a hell that produces nothing but torment?

As we will see together, there are many Bible verses that completely contradict the idea that

God will punish anyone for all eternity, or fail to save anyone in the end. Here are just a few

of them (there are more at the bottom of this page)

truly I say unto you, the tax collectors and prostitutes will enter the kingdom of heaven

before the self-righteous. (Matthew 21:31) Think about it: Jesus had table fellowship with

the outcasts of society, drank wine and ate with them, and reserved virtually all his criticism

for the "religious experts" who failed to be hospitable to "sinners."

Today conservative Christians seem to despise prostitutes, homosexuals, and anyone else

who doesn't meet their "high moral standards," while their self-righteousness makes the

rest of us gnash our teeth. But Jesus clearly said that love and compassion were the real

moral standards.

(The Hebrew prophets and Jesus also clearly said that the "sin of Sodom" was selfrighteousness and a lack of compassion, not homosexuality, which ironically would make

conservative Christians the "Sodomites.") Jesus also said that the first would be last and the

last first. Did he mean what he said?

The verse above doesn't say that anyone will be excluded from the kingdom of heaven in

the end, but it certainly doesn't make moralists the "chosen few" who inherit heaven at the

expense of the people they despise.

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces.

(Isaiah. 25:

Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

(Matthew 16:18) Most of the estimated hundred billion people who have lived here on earth

died without reading the Bible or knowing anything about Jesus. If most of mankind ends

up going to "hell" then the gates of hell will have prevailed and Jesus will be just another

inept, failed Messiah. How can Jesus be the Savior of the World unless the entire world is

saved?

For unto this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God,

who is the Savior of all men, especially believers. (1Timothy 4:10) This is only one of many

Bible verses that say all men will be saved, and that God will be all in all (not all in some, or

all in the self-proclaimed "chosen few").

Paul said that all Israel would be saved, agreeing with the prophet Ezekiel, who also said

that the Gentile nations, including Sodom, would be saved in the end, linking their salvation

to Israel's. Paul said that different people would be saved at different times, in stages, with

Jesus being the First fruits of the resurrection. Orthodox Christians ignore the best verses

in the Bible to focus narrowly on the worst. Why is that? If we can't believe the best verses,

why believe the worst?

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive, (1 Corinthians 15:22) We

know that all human beings die; this verse clearly says that the same "all" shall be made

alive, in Christ. There are many such verses in both the Old and New Testaments.

All flesh shall see the salvation of God. (Luke3:6)

I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor

things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be

able to separate us from the love of God. (Romans 8:38-39)

I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness, as in:

(Jeremiah 31:3) In his epiphany on Divine Love in 1 Corinthians 13, Paul said that Divine

Love never gives up, endures all things, and never fails, which sounds like the love of the

best human mothers. And the Bible insists that the love of God exceeds human love ...

Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has

borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! (Isaiah 49:15) This verse compares the

love of God to the love of a human mother. Would any compassionate mother torture her

child for a second, much less all eternity? No, the only suffering she might permit would

be remedial suffering, such as surgery to correct a birth defect. And even then she would

agonize with her child. Just think about that?
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:14 pm

A UNIVERSAL SALVATION THESIS THAT SHOULD BE ON
THE REQUIRED READING LIST OF ALL BIBLE SCHOOLS

Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expositions/his-a ... nt-are-we/

Click on each highlighted subtitle to read the entirety of each of the seventeen sections
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:47 pm

HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN...
A recently published book that shows why Gerry believes that the Bible teaches universal salvation.
Read the reviews first – just a suggestion.
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/what-others-are-saying/

HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN...
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/
It can be downloaded FREE and read online.

HOPE BEYOND HELL BOOK AUDIO - Gerry Beauchemin
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/audio-book-with-text/
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:23 pm

THE HORNETS :-)

Sung to the tune of "This Is Like Heaven To Me."

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them in time,
And help His own people to win.

The hornets persuaded them that it was best,
To go quickly, and not to go slow;
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will,
But He just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, No! No!
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free,
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, Oh No,!
They would not compel you' to go 'gainst your will,
But they'd just make you willing to go.

Chorus

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord,
The outlook was not very bright;
He never had done such a hard thing before,
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up,
The story I'm sure you all know;
He did not compel him to go 'gainst his will,
But He just made him willing to go.

Chorus

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out,
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land.
Resisting His Spirit they worshiped a calf,
But refused to obey God's Command.
God did not compel them to go to the land,
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow,
But fed them on manna for forty long years,
'Till He got them all ready to go.

Chorus

When Balaam was sent to the Moabite king,
And wanted things run his own way,
His mule, ever faithful, spoke at the right time,
Made him willing God's Will to obey.
God can use any man, since He used Balaam's mule,
For He is Almighty you know;
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

Chorus
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:19 pm

HOW I RECOVERED

WHAT I WISH I HAD KNOWN DURING MY YOUTH ---
How I recovered from a 12 year nervous breakdown (1966-78) I’m 76 years old

My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 78 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches.

BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION,
THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE

If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into your browser address bar.

0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute ... hrist.html
1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published)
http://tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm
3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html
4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html
5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm
6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savio ... d/hell.htm
7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html
8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods
http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top
9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes
http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm
10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html
11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichMana ... ching.html
12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT – Gary Amirault
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html
13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html
14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThr ... ained.html
15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA - Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html
16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex
AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html
17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchie ... index.html
18. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/jukes2.html
19. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – George Hawtin
http://www.godfire.net/restitutionHawtin.html
20. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES – J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savio ... /index.htm
ESPECIALLY THIS ONE IN THAT SERIES
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savio ... larity.htm
21. THE PURPOSE OF EVIL – A.P. Adams
http://thegloryrd.com:80/apadams/evil.html
22. TEN REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE THE TEACHING OF ETERNAL TORTURE - Thomas Kissinger
http://www.completerestorationinchrist. ... s-not.html
23. IS HELL ETERNAL OR WILL GOD’S PLAN FAIL? – Charles Pridgeon
http://www.archive.org/stream/willgodsp ... 3/mode/2up
24. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. Knoch
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheP ... index.html
25. GOD’S EONIAN PURPOSE
http://www.gtft.org/Library/loudy/GodsE ... pose00.htm - Adlai Loudy
26. THE TRUE BASIS OF REDEMPTION – A.P. Adams
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TrueB ... Adams.html
27. THREE TREASURE HOUSES OF CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST ARTICLES
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/articles2.html
http://tgulcm.tripod.com/cu/univart.html
http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/Library.htm
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Postby DaveB » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:22 pm

That's a great testimony and a great list. Do you have other forums that you post on, Rodger?
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:31 pm

Hi Dave
I post on Facebook several times every day and I also post on Tentmaker fairly regularly too.
Sometimes I also post on City Data Christian forum but there are also many URs there holding the fort. :-)
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:32 pm

SOME PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON “I NEVER KNEW YOU”

"There is no better place than being in the hands of God."
For a UR that is definitely true!
But for an ETer, probably not, because they might turn out to be one of these guys.

"Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name have done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them I never knew you. Depart from Me ye who work iniquity' (Matt. 7:22,23).

We could probably add to those declarations that many, in astonishment, will also say, -- "but my name should be right there in the book of life because I got myself saved in Your Name!"

They fully expect to go right into heaven based on what they had done in the Name of Jesus.
Instead, Jesus will cast them into the lake of fire which is the second death which will include kolasis aionion, which means age-during corrective chastisement.

It is God, not us, who decides who will or will not be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death.
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Postby rodgertutt » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:19 pm

If you cannot love an endless hell god

QUESTION TO ME BY A POSTER
“In your own words, please explain why you find it so important to 'evangelize' so zealously.
Thank you.”

Because many people are unable to love a god who would let anyone choose themselves into a state of inescapable everlasting suffering.

I’m 78 and the idea that God lets anyone suffer forever caused me more suffering, including a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, than all the other sufferings of my life combined.

This suffering was caused by the fear produced by not being able to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever and wondering what this god would do to me for not being able to love him. Even though I was and am trusting for my salvation in what Jesus accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, I was, and still am unable to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Here are testimonies similar to mine.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html

If you are like me and cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

Copy and paste into Google
THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES – J. Preston Eby
If necessary, copy and paste the following url into the address bar.
https://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:03 am

Infant Salvation
Believers in eternal torment are divided in their opinion about the fate of infants who die.
Some, who believe in God’s sovereign election of the “few”, also believe that non-elect babies who die will spend eternity suffering in hell. I have heard that John Calvin said, “There are babies a span long in hell”.
Others consider this unfair, and assert that infants who die will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. This of course is true, but not because the child is innocent. It’s true because the Scriptures teach that God intends to save everyone from everything that they need to be saved from.
A few years ago there was a story in a Montreal paper about an Ohio lady who drowned her baby in the bathtub. Her defense was that she loved the baby so much that she wanted to make sure that her child would not have to suffer forever in hell. After serving a sentence she remarried, had another child and drowned it for the same reason. She trusted that God would forgive her because her intention, though warped by false theology, was for the good of her children.
The jury decided that she was mentally ill, BUT WAS SHE? The simple pragmatic fact remains that if evangelicals are right, her two infants will spend eternity in heavenly bliss because she loved them so much that she insured, by killing them, that this will be so.
Apparently, believers in eternal torment believe that there is a magical split-second in time before which a child, if they die, will go to heaven, and after which, if they die will spend eternity suffering in hell. They call this “the age of accountability”.
If I believed this nonsense I might take a gun into the largest maternity ward in Toronto and before the police arrived, kill every infant who had just been born. This would cause an enormous amount of suffering to the parents, but this wouldn’t matter much in the long run, because probably most of them (according to evangelical theology) are destined to suffer forever in hell anyway, so why not save their babies from the same fate?
Don’t try to argue that what I would be doing would be wrong *(Thou Shalt Not Kill). The fact remains that my act would, in fact insure the babies’ eternal salvation. If evangelicals right, then infanticide would certainly be one of the most effective ways of “saving souls”. Besides, God forgives murder, especially when it is done for such a noble, though misguided cause.
Sure, they would lock me away in an institution, but I would spend my life reveling in the glow of the emotional high of knowing that I had, beyond any shadow of a doubt (even in the mind of evangelicals) guaranteed the salvation of the babies that I had killed.
Folks, the actual truth about the matter is much more sane and blessed. The Scriptures teach that salvation is all of the Lord, and He will not fail to save everyone of us according to His own timing. No one will be able to boast in His presence and say “I have saved my self from eternal hell by exercising my faith in God’s provision.” God will get all of the glory for everyone’s salvation.
The important issue never should be “what is right or what is wrong”. The only really important issue is, “What is God going to do with the person who is wrong? !” The Scriptures teach that God will fit every one of us into His master-plan in a positive way, and He will use our temporary involvement with sin to teach us the lessons that He wants us to learn. As my 102 year old Dad often says, “That’s what makes Him God!”
(Afterthought) - If abortionists are, for all practical purposes, among the most effective “soul-savers” in the world, why do evangelicals get so upset with them?!
* Believers in eternal torment kill each other in war for less worthy causes!
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:30 pm

INSANITY

Does traditional Christianity cause insanity? Many seem to think so. This video is the story a pastor and his daughter of their journey from the traditional turn or burn gospel to the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. Like it on Facebook and please send links to your family and friends.
Gary Amirault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnZRms3XZE
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:45 pm

Child Sacrifice in Christianity? Yep!! Watch:
Christian Molech Worship by Tentmaker Ministries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuhBdWbJXQ
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:16 pm

IS GOD STRONG ENOUGH? – Kenneth Larson
“For which of you, wanting to build a tower, is not first seated to calculate the expense, to see if he has the wherewithal?- lest at some time, he laying a foundation and not being strong enough to finish up, all those beholding should begin to scoff at him, saying that 'This man begins building and is not strong enough to finish up!’” Lk. 14:28-30. God’s perfect foundation is Christ Jesus. 1 Cor. 3:11; Is. 28:16; Lk. 20:17; Heb. 5:7-9. What God is building on His foundation is a perfect, reconciled creation. Ro. 8:20, 21; Col. 1:15-20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28; Phil. 2:5-11.
God is strong enough to reconcile all, for He controls all hearts. Is. 26:12; 2 Chronicles 30:12; Rev. 17:17. God has a purpose- a will for creation. Eph. 1:9-11; 3:11. God “wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.” 1 Tim. 2:4. And “All that Yahweh delights He does, in the heavens and on earth, in the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6; see Is. 46:10 and John 1:29.

Christ will draw all to Himself. Jn. 12:32. Our stubbornness and unbelief are no match for Almighty God. Romans 11:32. "Not stronger than He are we!" 1 Cor. 10:22. God is a perfect Savior, and He is more than strong enough to save all. 1 Tim. 4:9-11; Is. 53; Matt. 19:25, 26.
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:12 pm

ITCHING EARS

Sometimes believers in eternal torment and annihilation like to say that 2Tim. 4:3&4 about a time coming when people will have “itching ears” and will turn to believing myths or fables, refers to believers in universal salvation.
But I think it refers to believers in eternal torment and annihilation instead because most Christians closest to the time of Jesus believed in universal salvation.

ETers and ANers like to have their itching ears scratched by listening to sermons based on the myth or fable that only people who believe like they do before they die are going to avoid suffering forever in “hell” or be annihilated.

Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html
The author, J.W. Hanson wrote “The purpose of this book is to present the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind. The author believes that the following pages show that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era. He has aimed to present irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.

The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures.”

And they were reading the Bible in its original language!
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:24 am

MYTHS - Kenneth Larsen

“…they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths." 2 Tim. 4:4

Scripture: “And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.” Luke 6:32-35.
Myth: “God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever.”

Scripture: “For to vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God.” Romans 8:20, 21.
Myth: “Satan and Adam subjected the creation to vanity. The creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption by the Almighty, by granting incorruptibility to a few, and annihilating the rest.”

Scripture: “…Not one is seeking out God. All avoid Him…” “Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful." Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.
Myth: “Seek God and you’ll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you’re lost, it will be your own fault.”

Scripture: “For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.” Romans 11:32
Myth: “It was Lucifer’s doing, and Adam’s. God is merciful to all us humans because He gives us a chance to escape the consequences of their sins.”

Scripture: “and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles" Colossians 1:20, 21.
Myth: “God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can’t do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they’re hopeless.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:06 pm

J. Preston Eby

TESTIMONY OF RODGER TUTT
My wife Helen and I spent forty years of our lives distributing Christian literature. We are in our seventies now. The following testimony video by J. Preston Eby is an example of the power of literature. One critic thinks that Preston should have let the book burn up that his dad threw into the fire. But as a result of reading that book instead of letting it burn up, Preston later wrote the following expositional series based on his further studies of the Bible.
TESTIMONY VIDEO OF J. PRESTON EBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEwcWR8kxUs&feature=sub

See the following great sixteen chapter introductory series to ultimate reconciliation. J. Preston Eby does a thorough job covering many aspects of the topic. Fundamental reading for any person interested in studying universal salvation from a solid biblical perspective.
Highly Recommended!
https://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html
or
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:50 pm

John 3:16
DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ARE NOT ETERNAL - Kenneth Larsen
"Jesus knew that John 3:16 was not the end of the story…that’s why He continued to John 3:17 and talked about the salvation of all mankind!!!
Jesus makes no attempt to use verse 16 to negate or qualify verse 17. He simply makes both statements side by side as if both are completely true. The reason He does this is that both ARE completely true.

We see this over and over in Scripture, especially in the writings of Paul – a statement about people who have faith now (maybe a warning or exhortation or encouragement about the benefits of taking part in the kingdom of God a.k.a. the next two ages of life on earth) right next to a statement about how Christ accomplished the justification of all men. See Romans 3:23-24 and 5:18 and their contexts for example. This is no big deal; none of these statements negate, qualify (change), or contradict each other, because both concepts are 100% true. Some will be saved from death early and take part in the kingdom of God, and everyone else will be saved from death later.

To attempt to use some statements (about those who get saved early) to negate the others statements (about the eventual salvation of all) is to butcher the common sense rules of language and communication. We would never do this to each other in everyday communication; the only reason people try to do it to Jesus and Paul is because they cannot bring themselves to believe the plain statements about the eventual salvation of all mankind.

If I said to my kids, “Those of you who help me clean the yard today will get to go to a movie with me tomorrow, and next week I will take the rest of you to a movie,” I have made it very clear that all the kids will eventually go to the movies. My two statements do not contradict each other or negate each other in any way. This is the exact same thing Jesus does in John 3:16 and 17 – He makes two equally true statements. Yet “hell mindset” Christians try to make one statement negate the other in order to fit their preconceived inherited ideas." (end quote)

"What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish or be destroyed?"
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/perish.htm
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:12 pm

WHAT THESE VERSES MEAN

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Shall not be in a state of being lost (apollumi), but shall have life during the ages which collectively come to an end. Heb. 9:26.

And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.
They will lose it for the eons but will find it again when the eons collectively end Heb. 9:26

Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Instead of being forgiven, they will suffer the consequences. But the consequences are age-during, not eternal.

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
God will restore all destroyed souls when death is abolished. 1 Cor. 15:20-28

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.
Believers have life pertaining to the ages which collectively come to an end. Christ rejecters will receive kolasis aionios (age-during corrective chastisement) Matt 25:46.

Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
Both in terms of duration and intensity God will administer just the right amount of kolasis aionios to everyone who needs it. Matt. 25:46.
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:28 pm

JUDAS

Here is why the case of Judas does not disprove universal salvation.

Because of the betrayal of Judas, Jesus was introduced to the woe of extreme suffering. It would have been better for Jesus if Judas had not been born.

Greek scholar Louis Abbott wrote:

"Let us look carefully at the Greek text: kalon ên auto eiouk egennêthê ho anthropos ekeinos, "Ideal were it for Him if that man were not born" or "It were ideal for Him if that man was not born." The question is asked, Who is the Him? The answer is in the preceding clause. There we have the pronoun autou, "Him," and anthropo ekeino, "that man," both referred to in such a way that we cannot mistake them. "The Son of Man indeed goeth as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed!" "Him" is the Son of Man, "that man" is Judas.

The Him cannot refer to Judas, therefore the text can be paraphrased as, "Ideal were it for Him (the Son of Man) if that man (Judas) were not born."

That is the understanding that the syntax requires.

Therefore, Mark 14:21 does not contradict Col. 1:15-20; 1 Tim. 4:9-11; Rom. 5:18, 19; etc., all teaching the ultimate salvation of Judas."

MORE COMMENTARY ON JUDAS

“But what about Judas Iscariot? Doesn’t it say it would have been better if he’d never been born?
Matthew 26:24 “The Son of Mankind is indeed going away, according as it is written concerning Him, yet woe to that man through whom the Son of Mankind is being given up! Ideal were it for Him if that man were not born!” It would have been ideal (pleasing and peaceful) for Jesus (the Son of Mankind/Him) if Judas (that man) had not been born. It was nevertheless necessary for him to be born and commit his sin of betrayal in order for scripture to be fulfilled. See Genesis 6:6; John 18:11; Matt. 26:39

Concerning Judas’ title, “son of destruction”, John 17:12, the Greek word is apollumi, often translated, perish or lose. This word is used in the New Testament about 90 times. Many people, animals, and even things are described as being “lost”, “destroyed” or “perished”. It is unwise to assume the word describes “eternal damnation”. “For the Son of Mankind came to seek and to save the lost (apollumi).” Luke 19:10. The book All in All, by A. E. Knoch, is very informative on this and some other important topics, such as the eons, the 3 classes of vivification, “hell”, and “annihilation”.

"What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish or be destroyed?"
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:25 am

JOSEPH PRINCE

Response to Joseph Prince who claims to have “dismantled” universal salvation in sixty seconds.

http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Allinadam.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:03 pm

KINGDOM REIGN
The eons of the eons – Joseph E. Kirk - Gal.1:5; Phil.4:20; 1 Tim.1:17; 2Tim.4:18; Heb.13:21; 1 Pet.4:11; 5:11; Rev.1:6; 4:9,10; 5:13,14; 7:12; 10:6; 11:15; 14:11; 15:7; 19:3; 20:10; 22:5 (for ever and ever); Rev.1:18 (for evermore). A comparison of Rev.11:14,15 with 1 Cor.15:27,28 makes it clear that the expression “the eons of the eons” does not mean an endless succession of eons. Christ reigns for “the eons of the eons” after which He delivers up the Kingdom to the Father and Himself becomes subject that God may be all in all.

#41 - HOW TO KEEP 0N LIVING – DUSEAN BERKICH
“Christian tradition overlooks a key text that clearly quantifies the meaning of the eons of the eons which is mistranslated “forever and ever.”
In 1Corinthians 15:24, Paul tells us that Jesus will be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father. That’s not an eternal reign in any possible context. The clear statement that Christ ‘gives up’ the kingdom defines what the eons of the eons must mean. Jesus is God’s mediator with mankind Who reigns only until He gets the job done. That job is winning our conciliation with God.
Paul referred to Jesus as the eonian, not eternal God, and gave Jesus reign over specific time periods leading up to the conclusion of His reign. Clearly there is a progression of eons that have beginnings and endings. All eons end when Christ’s reign ends, after which what is eternal continues.”

#56 - EONIAN - EVERLASTING OR AGE-LASTING – GRACE H. TODD
“That the expression ‘the eons of the eons’ (forever and ever, KJV) cannot mean an endless successions of eons is clearly revealed by comparing Rev. 11:15 with 1Cor. 15:24-28. In Rev. 11:15 our Lord is said to reign ‘for the eons of the eons’ but in 1Cor. 15 His reign is said to end. He does not reign ‘for ever and ever’ though He does reign for the eons of the eons.”

#53 - SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND - JAMES CORAM
“The use of ‘forever and ever’ instead of the accurate rendering ‘for the eons of the eons,’ is a gross mistranslation. Most translators simply lacked the insight to see the point of many of the passages that speak of the eons. Since they were able, however, to make sense of these passages by translating by ‘everlasting’ or ‘eternal,’ they simply went ahead and did so, any resultant problems notwithstanding. Due to a lack of sensible thinking it was impossible for them to face the fact that the usual translations of this word are quite mistaken and extremely harmful!”
James Coram

#38 - THE UNIVERSAL RESTORATION – ELHANAN WINCHESTER
In the memoir of the author it is written, “He found no quietude, until, by a candid and prayerful examination of the Bible, he became fully satisfied that ‘God will have all men to be saved,’ and that ‘He doeth according to His will.’ His change of opinion was soon noised abroad, and produced a great disaffection in many of his former friends.

Here is a snippet from the book.
“The reason why I do not conceive that “forever and ever” doth intend endless duration is because I find the words as often used for times and periods that must have an end, as you find them used for the misery of the wicked. You bring three passages which are all that are to be found in the whole Bible where they are used in that sense; I shall now invalidate those evidences for endless damnation by bringing an equal number of texts where you will allow the words are used in a limited sense. Is. 30:8; Jer. 7:7; Jer. 25:5.
These passages are as many and as strongly expressed as those which you brought to prove endless misery; and yet nothing can be more evident than that they cannot intend endless duration. The words do not necessarily imply that the wicked shall never be delivered from their sins and consequent suffering.
Now if the words “forever and ever” signify without end, then there is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled, but only understand them as the ages of the ages, (as indeed they ought to be rendered), and the whole difficulty vanishes at once.”

"Forever and Ever"--A Poor Translation
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter5.html
The smoke of their torment rises for a limited period of time. Here is the proof.
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/forever_eternity.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:36 pm

THE REAL GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS) – BERT BAUMAN

“Our popular English Bible carries the name of an earthly monarch and so bears mute testimony to the influence the English King had over the translators. His directive to ‘do nothing that will disturb the tranquility of the church’, appears to have been taken very seriously by the translators since they often chose to interpret certain Greek words to support then current church doctrine, rather than render a faithful and consistent translation of the original.

I must confess to the admiration I feel for the absolute brilliance of Satan’s cunning and strategy. He has effectively polluted the entire fountain of truth from which Christians drink by causing confusion in the meaning of the single word aion, and its adjective aionios. It does not seem that this single word could be so important as to produce calamitous results, but it is just here that we see the utter genius of our adversary. Perhaps no other word, erroneously translated, could cause such widespread confusion and distortion of the truth. Practically all Christian doctrine is affected: the purposes of God, the nature of God, judgment, man’s destiny, and salvation – to say nothing of its effect upon our concept of the very God we worship and the way we treat one another as Christians, and the world at large.”

EDITOR’S ADDITION
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

BERT BAUMAN continues, “The doctrine of eternal torment is not found in the Scripture but the teaching of judgment certainly is. But why judgment? Is it a matter of God’s vengeance only? The scriptures suggest that God’s judgments are desirable but not necessarily enjoyable. It is never pleasant to be judged, but the fruit of judgment is desirable. Correction produces righteousness which yields the fruit of the Spirit. Therefore, while the chastening is unpleasant, the results are a blessing. Out of love for His creatures, God chastens, and corrects. He judges His creatures for their own good.

Did not Jesus teach us to love and do good even to our enemies? And while He admonishes us to be perfect even as our heavenly Father, would our Father be less than we are expected to be? Can love pour out vengeance for its own gratification, or judge to satisfy its own sense of justice? The result of God’s judgments must ultimately be profitable and beneficial to the one being punished, ‘for the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them’ (Luke 9:56).”
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:44 pm

Sooner or later everyone will be saved.
A COMMON ARGUMENT ADDRESSED

Until the time of Augustine most Christians believed in the salvation of everyone.

Dr. Edwin Abbott, headmaster of the City of London School, wrote in his Cambridge Sermons -
QUOTE: "An argument was introduced by Augustine, and since his day incessantly repeated, that if aionios kolasis does not mean "endless punishment," then there is no security for the believer that aionios zoe means "endless life," and that he will enjoy the promise of endless happiness. But Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons, as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (which must refer to the lake of fire which is the second death, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). That is, the last, the final one in order. How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer: "For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive. ." Death is destroyed when ALL have been made alive, IN CHRIST."
-- Dr. Edwin Abbott

Response to Joseph Prince who claims to have "dismantled" universal salvation in sixty seconds.

Note God’s wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkBMNlvmZ0

Also see http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Allinadam.html

THE AGES COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN END WITH EVERYONE SAVED
Click on See More and open the link

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:58 pm

THE LAST CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE

RESTORATION: THROUGH THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES – CHARLES WELLER
“The feast of tabernacles means the feast of ingathering. It takes an eight day period to bring in the fullness of the ingathering. Eight is the number of new beginnings in scripture or FULL RESTORATION.

1Corinthians 15 is the last chapter in the Bible. The fifteenth chapter clearly shows how great the totality of the feast of tabernacles will be. ‘As in Adam all die (every preacher will agree that all people are in Adam but few believe that the word all mean all in the second part of the verse) so in Christ all shall be made alive.’ Jesus is going to gather all together in Himself. He will have everyone in His nature.

Everything that occurs, occurs in the plan and order of God. In 1Corinthians 15 God shows that there are different orders. The highest order is Jesus Christ. Everything will, in time, be brought into Jesus Christ. All shall be gathered into Him. When this is done then Jesus, the Son, will turn all over to the Father. It is then we find that time ends, for God becomes All in all (verse 28).

AT THE END OF THE AGES THE ABOLITION OF HELL – BOB EVELY
“The culmination of God’s Word is found in 1Corinthian 15 when God become All in all.
The book of Revelation does not take us quite this far. Corruption is eliminated and our bodies are now incorruptible. The worst enemy of all, death, has been abolished.

The salvation of all has not meant the ignoring of sin. The lake of fire, the second death has accomplished its work. All men now recognize the wondrous ways of God and His grace as expressed through the work of Christ. The salvation of all does not negate or minimize the work of the cross. The work of Christ upon the cross and the power of God as displayed through the resurrection, were both very necessary.

But now at the end of the ages we see the true scope of God’s work. Despite the sin and rebellion of humanity, God has found a way to bring every soul to the point of acceptance. The ages have ended. The purpose of the eons has now been fulfilled; to reconcile all to God. Wickedness and evil are gone. Death is no more. God is love, and He is All in all. Eternal life in perfection has begun.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:52 pm

LEMMINGS

The lot of lemmings – Martin Zender

“Lemmings are rodents that supposedly run
off cliffs together, committing mass suicide.
This is what happens, metaphorically,
to members of religious sects. Because
they are continually surrounded by
each other, and mindlessly accept whatever
they are taught by institutionally
trained “experts,” they get the sense that
they are “all right.” And yet they are not.
They are simply all wrong at the same
time and in the same place.

One of the largest religious sects, Christianity,
is so deceived that it thinks its members
are the only ones who will be with
God for eternity. This sort of exclusivity
(the eternal variety) is a sure sign of
religious sectarianism.

The common lot of humanity is death.
But—thanks to Christ—the common lot of
humanity is also eternal life. The difference
between those who believe truth and
those who don’t is timing; it is a difference
of when each person emerges from death,
into life. Those who believe now emerge
early; they live—and some of them reign
with Christ—for two future eons. The rest
of humankind remain dead until the great
white throne judgment. After this judgment,
some go to the new earth as mortals,
some to the second death. When the second
death is abolished, however, all will
have eternal life.

For now, the mass of humanity—religious
and otherwise—is rushing over the cliff of
death. The only thing able to stop this tide
is the miracle of God-given faith. For now,
God gives faith to few. Later, He will give
it to all.

If you have escaped lemminghood, thank God.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:11 pm

LESLIE WEATHERHEAD

THE CHRISTIAN AGNOSTIC – DR. LESLIE D. WEATHERHEAD

The following is my all-time favorite quote. I’ve had it memorized for many years and I quote it frequently. As a staunch universalist, Dr. Leslie Weatherhead meant it to include everyone without exception, after everyone who needs it experiences kolasis aionion, or age-during corrective chastisement.

“God’s purposes are so vast and glorious, beyond all guessing now, that when they are achieved and consummated, all our sufferings and sorrows of today, even the agonies that nearly break our faith, the disasters that well nigh overwhelm us, shall, seen from that fair country where God’s age long dreams come true, bulk as little as bulk now the pieces of a broken toy upon a nursery floor, over which, thinking that all our little world was in ruins, we cried ourselves to sleep.”
Dr. Leslie Weatherhead

A POEM BY WIILIAM WORDSWORTH (1770-1850)
One adequate support
For the calamities of mortal life
Exists, one only; - an assured belief
That the procession of our fate, howe’er
Sad or disturbed, is ordered by a being
Of infinite benevolence and power,
Whose everlasting purposes embrace
All accidents, converting them to good.

Alexander von Humboldt (1767-1835) wrote
“The conviction, arising from a firm confidence in Almighty goodness and justice – that death is only the termination of an imperfect state of being, whose purpose cannot be fully carried out here, and that it is the passage to a better and higher condition, should be so constantly present to us, that nothing should be able to obscure it, even for a moment; it is the groundwork of inner peace, and of the loftiest endeavors, and is an inexhaustible spring of comfort in affliction.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:35 pm

LOVE WINS

Here is an analogy that I got from Ray Prinzing (my earthly hero and mentor)

A man courts a lady by continually expressing his love for her week after week, both verbally, and by bringing her gifts.

If he stops trying to persuade her to marry him, he loses everything.
But if he never stops trying to convince her until she says yes, then he goes to her place, gathers up all the gifts he gave her AND HER, and takes them back to his place for the rest of their lives.

Human love sometimes fails to elicit a loving response, but God’s divine love is not hampered by the limitations of human love.

Even if takes kolasis aionios (age-during corrective chastisement) which is a negative expression of His love, God will sooner or later elicit a loving response from everyone.

That is what I believe.
LOVE WINS
http://lovewins.us/388/an-analytical-study-of-words/
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:06 pm

MARTIN LUTHER

I like what Martin Luther said: "God forbid that I should limit the time of acquiring faith to the present life.
In the depth of the Divine mercy there may be opportunity to win it in the future."
(Martin Luther’s letter to Hans von Rechenberg, 1522.)

In the conclusion of THE BONDAGE OF THE WILL, Martin Luther wrote
““Even according to the testimony of reason herself there can be no "Free-will"—in man,—in angel,—or in any creature!”
http://www.truecovenanter.com/trueluthe ... .html#conc

Here is a helpful article on the subject.
MAN IS NOT A FREE MORAL AGENT
http://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:13 pm

MISCELLANEOUS QUOTES

“Now in the same manner as God has converted so many to Himself
without destroying their liberty, He can undoubtedly convert whole
nations, or the whole world. And it is as easy to Him to convert a
world as one individual soul.” - John Wesley

“I frankly confess that, for myself, even if it could be, I should not
want free-will to be given me.…But now that God has taken my salvation
out of the control of my own will, and put it under the control of
His, and promised to save me, not according to my working or running,
but according to His own grace and mercy, I have the comfortable
certainty that He is faithful and will not lie to me, and that He is
also great and powerful, so that no devils or opposition can break Him
or pluck me from Him.” -Martin Luther

“for the power of "free-will" is nil, and it does no good, nor can do,
without grace. It follows, therefore, that "free-will" is obviously a
term applicable only to Divine Majesty; for only He can do, and does
(as the Psalmist sings) "whatever he wills in heaven and earth"
[Psalms 135:6]. If "free-will" is ascribed to men, it is ascribed with
no more propriety than divinity itself would be - and no blasphemy
could exceed that! So it befits theologians to refrain from using the
term when they want to speak of human ability, and to leave it to be
applied to God only.” –Martin Luther

“God forbid that I should limit the time of acquiring faith to the
present life. In the depth of the Divine mercy there may be
opportunity to win it in the future… For the opinion that God could
not have created man to be rejected and cast away into eternal torment
is held among us also…” -Martin Luther, letter to Hans von Rechenberg,
1522

“How ironic that those who believe God will not violate the ‘free’
will of man have no problem believing He will violate His own free
will—that all men should be saved!” - David Nuckols

“He does not save men by arbitrary force. He saves by their wills,
through moral influence. God has resources in his universe, the all
conquering agencies of love, to make the unwilling soul willing! He
has light enough to make the blind see, and love enough to melt the
hardened heart.” -Quillen Hamilton Shinn

"The healthy man does not torture others.” Carl Jung

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." Confucius

"In order for the light to shine so brightly, the darkness must be
present." Sir Francis Bacon

"Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls. The most massive
characters are seared with scars." Khalil Gibran

"There can be no good without evil." Russian proverb

"It is a wise father that knows his own child." William Shakespeare

"Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects
revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method
is love." Martin Luther King, Jr.

"I have always found that mercy bears richer fruit than strict
justice." Abraham Lincoln

"There is no lasting hope in violence, only temporary relief from
hopelessness." Kingman Brewster, Jr.

"All humanity is one undivided and indivisible family. I cannot detach
myself from the wickedest soul." Mahatma Ghandi

“Love feels no burden, thinks nothing of its trouble, attempts what is
above its strength, pleads no excuse for impossibility, for it thinks
all things are lawful for itself and all things are possible.” Thomas
A. Kempis

"No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for
happiness, the good he seeks." Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley

"What really raises one's indignation against suffering is not
suffering intrinsically, but the senselessness of suffering."
Frederich Nietzsche

"Adversity is like a strong wind. It tears away from us all but the
things that cannot be torn, so that we see ourselves as we truly are."
Arthur Golden

"I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who
it's for or against." Malcolm X
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:33 pm

MOTIVATION
Philippians 1:15-18
“Some preach Christ because of envy and strife, and some of good will.
One preaches Christ out of contention, not sincerely, the other out of love.
What then, notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is being preached.
And I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.”

ETers and ANers preach Christ out of the false motivation that if they don't preach many
will suffer forever in "hell" or be annihilated.
But even so, like Paul, I rejoice and, yea, I will rejoice that Christ is being preached.

KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
https://www.godfire.net/eby/godislove.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:09 pm

ETERNAL PUNISHMENT CHRISTIANS VERSUS ETERNAL PUNISHMENT MUSLIMS

As most Christians already know, millions of Christians believe that millions of Muslims (and all other non-Christians too) are going to suffer forever in hell.
They believe it because that's the way they were taught by their parents and by other people on whom they relied to tell them the truth.

What many Christians do not know is that millions of Muslims believe that millions of Christians (and all non-Muslims) are going to suffer forever in hell too.
And they also believe it because that's the way they were taught by their parents and by other people on whom they relied to tell them the truth
Quote from THE AFTER LIFE IN ISLAM
"Being a Muslim does not keep one out of Hell, but non-Muslims (kafir), however, will be punished eternally."
That is why they believe they are doing God’s work when they make a project out of killing non-Muslim “infidels” if they refuse to convert to Islam.

I think the entire dichotomy is ridiculous!
I think that the idea of "eternal hell" may be the cause of more suffering on this earth than any other idea that exists.

In my opinion the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action on this earth is that anyone can believe that God will let anyone choose themselves into an inescapable state of everlasting suffering and not go insane thinking about it.

For anyone who is interested, the following is a very informative link
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/topics ... rs-corner/
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:44 pm

MY BELIEFS

I’m convinced that after we have thought the very best thoughts about God, we can be sure that He is even better than that because He is able to do above what we can even think, Ephesians 3:20. And IMHO I cannot think any higher thoughts than universal transformation.

I believe that after our resurrection from the dead God will eventually somehow transform every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened.
That includes both the unexplained and seemingly unjustifiable suffering that we all experience in varying degrees, as well as what the Bible calls "kolasis aionion" which means age-during corrective chastisement that everyone who needs it will experience.

I believe that God will eventually fit every unique individual into His master plan in a positive way that necessitates their unique temporary involvement in evil and suffering that will enable God to manifest, and glorify, and magnify the many facets of His character in a way that uniquely involves that person, and everyone else involved in that person’s life too.
Then, after God has finished using evil and suffering for the reasons why He allowed them to temporarily exist, He will eradicate them from existence.

I believe that God has both the ability and the intention to save all fallen creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, and He will not fail to do so.

I believe that God's determination, within the wise counsel of His DECRETIVE will which is that which MUST occur, to eventually rid all of creation from suffering, will in every case, overcome the strongest will that is temporarily opposed to God's PRECEPTIVE will which is what His creatures OUGHT to do, e.g. THE GOLDEN RULE.

All evil eventually leads to good, however, God is the only One Who can do this. He created evil (Isaiah 45:7), to provide the contrast for good. When all good is revealed, then evil will be abolished from God’s universe—forever.
THE PURPOSE OF EVIL – A.P. Adams (GOOD EXPOSITION)
http://thegloryrd.com:80/apadams/evil.html

I believe the only mistake that I am probably making is in grossly underestimating just how gloriously God will achieve this universal transformation through what Christ accomplished for everyone by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of his cross.
That is the kind of God that I see in the Bible.

Realizing that he is including everyone without exception, the following quote by Christian universalist Dr. Leslie Weatherhead nicely sums up what I believe. I've had it memorized for many years and love to quote it frequently.

“God’s purposes are so vast and glorious, beyond all guessing now, that when they are achieved and consummated, all our sufferings and sorrows of today, even the agonies that nearly break our faith, the disasters that well nigh overwhelm us, shall, seen from that fair country where God’s age long dreams come true, bulk as little as bulk now the pieces of a broken toy upon a nursery floor, over which, thinking that all our little world was in ruins, we cried ourselves to sleep.”

THE COROLLARY TO MY BELIEFS
For me the corollary to my belief in universal transformation is just as important as the belief itself.
The corollary is that when the chips are down and I am overwhelmed by life's negatives to the point where I can't make my wonderful theology work for me in a practical way, yet even that sorry state of affairs is something that God will eventually transform into something better for me that it temporarily prevailed.
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:39 pm

MYTHS - Kenneth Larsen

“…they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths." 2 Tim. 4:4

Scripture: “And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.” Luke 6:32-35.
Myth: “God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever.”

Scripture: “For to vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God.” Romans 8:20, 21.
Myth: “Satan and Adam subjected the creation to vanity. The creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption by the Almighty, by granting incorruptibility to a few, and annihilating the rest.”

Scripture: “…Not one is seeking out God. All avoid Him…” “Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful." Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.
Myth: “Seek God and you’ll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you’re lost, it will be your own fault.”

Scripture: “For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.” Romans 11:32
Myth: “It was Lucifer’s doing, and Adam’s. God is merciful to all us humans because He gives us a chance to escape the consequences of their sins.”

Scripture: “and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles" Colossians 1:20, 21.
Myth: “God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can’t do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they’re hopeless.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:36 pm

THE NARROW DOOR AND MANY CALLED BUT FEW CHOSEN

The language is entirely confined to the present.
"Lord, are there few that be 'saved'?" The literal rendering is: "Are those being saved few?" The question relates entirely to the number then, at that time that were entering the narrow door and accepting Christ. Also, many were called to accept Christ through the apostolic preaching of that time period, but few were chosen by way of their acceptance of that call.

What it does not mean is that anyone will suffer eternal torment or be annihilated;
because we know that sooner or later God will have (wants if you like) all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
It is God’s “pleasure” that all mankind be saved.
And “God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11).

Change it to read “in accord with the counsel of what He wants if you like.
Because God says
"My counsel shall stand.
I will do all my pleasure
(the saving of all mankind is part of the pleasure that God wants)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11

Job 23:13 “But he stands alone, and who can oppose Him?
He does whatever he pleases.
(the saving of all mankind is part of what He wants that pleases Him).

Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(the saving of all mankind is part of all of which God desires or wants)

So we see God does all His pleasure, He does whatever He pleases, and His word accomplishes that which He desires.
His pleasure, that which He desires and pleases Him is what He wants.

His will = What He wants
What does He want?
THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND
Why will it happen?
Because God Himself will see to it that it gets done.

Any cooperation towards our salvation is the result, not the cause of God laying hold on us by His saving grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart, just like it was in the case of Lydia and Saul of Tarsus.

The opinions of exactly how God will achieve universal salvation may differ from UR to UR just like the opinions of ETers also vary from person to person about what the Bible teaches about salvation.
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon May 01, 2017 9:50 pm

NOT EVERYONE – Matt. 7:21

If these words were taken literally, then no one at all would enter the kingdom of Heaven because, at least for a period of time EVERYONE doesn’t do the will of the Father.
According to Rom. 3:10-18 EVERYONE starts out in the condition described in those verses.

All that Jesus meant by that statement is that NO UNREPENTANT SINNER will ever enter the kingdom of Heaven.

But we know that a time is coming when there will be no unrepentant sinners left in existence.

We know this because God “will have all men to be saved” (1 Timothy 2:4)
It is God’s “pleasure” that all mankind be saved.
And “God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11).

Change it to read “in accord with the counsel of what He wants” if you like.
Because God says
"My counsel shall stand.
I will do all my pleasure
(the saving of all mankind is part of the pleasure that God wants)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11

Job 23:13 “But He stands alone, and who can oppose Him?
He does whatever he pleases.
(the saving of all mankind is part of what He wants that pleases Him).

Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(the saving of all mankind is part of all of which God desires or wants)

So we see God does all His pleasure, He does whatever He pleases, and His word accomplishes that which He desires.
His pleasure, that which He desires and pleases Him is what He wants.

His will = What He wants
What does He want?
THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND
Why will it happen?
Because God Himself will see to it that it gets done.

Any cooperation towards our salvation is the result, not the cause of God laying hold on us by His saving grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart, just like it was in the case of Lydia and Saul of Tarsus.
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue May 02, 2017 10:13 pm

NOTHING gives me greater pleasure than to guide people to the reasons why I see an infinitely different God in the Bible than the one I was taught in the several different eternal punishment churches I attended during years gone by and in the Bible school from which I graduated.
I’m 78 years old.

CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm

CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
http://www.tlchrist.info/filealin.htm
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Postby rodgertutt » Wed May 03, 2017 8:11 pm

NOW IS “A” DAY OF SALVATION
(not “the” day of salvation)

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/today.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Thu May 04, 2017 11:10 pm

125 NUTS

In my opinion, this book blows the theological ship of the Calvinists clean out of the water.

A snippet from 125 NUTS FOR CALVINISTS TO CRACK – C.R. Bierbower
(another book in my hard copy UR library)

“Although a Calvinist myself for more than thirty years, the scriptures declaring God’s infinite love, and the plain teachings of Jesus my Lord on the subject of love, mercy and truth, finally sank my theological ship. This left me searching for the truth as it is in Jesus. Finally I was convinced by the overwhelming number of Scriptures that our great God and Heavenly Father truly does, without partiality, love the whole world, and He will in His own time and in His own way finally reconcile all men unto Himself.

Arminianism and Calvinism both represent each other as the method for God’s work in salvation, and both vigorously reject the final reconciliation of all men. It is my purpose in this book to point out to my Calvinistic brethren the inconsistency of their interpretation of Scripture.”

And IMO, C.R. does a very good job of pointing out the inconsistency of the Calvinist interpretation of Scripture.”
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Postby rodgertutt » Fri May 05, 2017 7:21 pm

THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Sat May 06, 2017 7:55 pm

OUR HEAVENLY FATHER

According to Jesus, by nature, we are children of the devil (John 8:44).
But over and above that are the words that Jesus spoke to the multitude.
“For One is your Father, Who is in heaven.” (Matt. 23:1&9).

As sinners, by attitude and actions we demonstrate that we are children of the devil.
But by right of creation, and by right of redemption through Jesus Christ, God is the Heavenly Father of everyone, even Satan (Col. 1:20).

For Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole kosmos (Greek). (1John 2:2)

Sooner or later, according to His perfect timing for each individual, God will effectively call everyone out of darkness into His marvelous light, first the chosen generation, then all the rest later. (1Peter 2:9; Col. 1:20)

A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY

Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’

Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

I believe that the reconciliation of Satan will be the greatest manifestation of God's grace in action among the celestials
http://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html
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Postby rodgertutt » Sun May 07, 2017 10:41 pm

PAUL'S WILL

The apostle Paul's frustration was that, regretfully, he sometimes preferred sinning. The fact that he actually chose sinning demonstrated that, at least momentarily, he preferred it, or he would not have chosen it. It is what we actually do that demonstrates our true preference. We can say we don't prefer it, but our actions speak louder than words.

Sometimes Paul's sinful nature was the strongest influence in his life.
Romans 7:14-25 makes it plain that in no way was Paul’s will “free.”

But the Spirit of God taught Paul through experiences that in those times that “the sin that dwelt within him” (v20) preferred sinning; he could then reach out to Jesus for rescue. This God-taught attitude gradually, and no doubt reflexively, became the strongest influence on Paul’s will in his war with his sinful nature.
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Postby rodgertutt » Mon May 08, 2017 7:48 pm

"What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish or be destroyed?"
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/perish.htm

Kenneth Larsen and James Coram
"Everlasting destruction" would mean that they cease to exist. However, that terminology wasn't used by any of the prophets.
I didn't make up universal reconciliation. It has strong Bible support.

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire taught in the scriptures?
The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death (Rev.20:14; 21:8). In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).
It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.
The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.
It is also apparent from Col. 1:15-20and many other texts that the lake of fire is not the end of God's plan for those cast into the fire.
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Postby rodgertutt » Tue May 09, 2017 8:50 pm

Questions Without Answers

Many people have a very limited view of God's plan of salvation and when approached with questions, are unable to give an answer, or, unable to give a correct answer. This can be, first and foremost, attributed to lack of true Bible study. It can be caused by the bias of denominational beliefs, creeds, other individual interpretations, or from relying on other people to answer for them.
But, what does the Bible have to say about the individual Christian being able to give an answer when questioned? 2 Timothy 2:15 says to:
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
They are told to "Study", or "be diligent", as some Bibles have it translated. Why? To be "approved unto God" and so as "not to be ashamed" when questions are asked. How and what are they told to study? By "rightly dividing the word of truth", which is the Bible.
Next, look at what the Apostle Peter says concerning questions and answers in 1 Peter 3:15.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
Within this short verse of Scripture, there are several thoughts that need to be mentioned. These are:
1. Be READY to give an Answer -- be prepared.
2. Be ready ALWAYS -- do not put off a Question.
3. Be ready always to give an answer -- evasion excites suspicion.
4. Give an answer to EVERY ONE that asks you.
5. A REASON is asked for -- not an assertion.
6. The answer should be a reason of THE HOPE [not the fear] that is in you.
7. The Question is to be answered [not in a passion, but] with MEEKNESS toward man, and FILIAL FEAR toward God.
Below, is a list of 213 questions that will help to clarify God's plan of salvation as set forth in the Holy Bible, so that when questions are asked, correct answers can be given. To those holding a limited view of God's plan of salvation, they are truly Questions Without Answers, but, to those who rely on God's Word, the answers become apparent as His truth is revealed to them.
The questions were written by A. C. Thomas and appeared in a book by E. H. Lake, entitled "The Key to Truth".
Now the Questions:
1. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)
2. If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?
3. Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?
4. As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?
5. If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)
6. As "love thinketh no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)
7. As "love worketh no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)
8. As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)
9. Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?
10. If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?
11. Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?
12. As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)
13. Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?
14. If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?
15. Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)
16. If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them?
17. Is it just for God to be "kind to the evil and unthankful," in their present life? (Luke 6:35)
18. Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?
19. If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?
20. If God "will by no means clear the guilty," by what means can just punishment be evaded? (Ex. 34:7)
21. As no man can measure endless punishment to his neighbor, will endless punishment be measured to him? (Luke 4:38)
22. Would it be merciful in God to inflict endless punishment? -- that is, merciful to the sufferer?
23. Can that be just which is not merciful?
24. Do not cruelty and injustice go hand in hand?
25. Can that be merciful which is not just?
26. Does divine justice demand the infliction of pain from which mercy recoils?
27. Does divine mercy require any thing that justice refuses to grant?
28. If the demands of divine justice are opposed to the requirements of mercy, is not God divided against Himself?
29. If the requirements of mercy are opposed to the demands of the justice of God, can His kingdom stand? -- (Mark 3:24)
30. If the justice and mercy of God are any way opposed, do they "keep the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace?'
31. If justice and mercy are opposed to their requirements can Deity be a just God and a Savior? -- (Isaiah 14:21)
32. If "a God all mercy is a God unjust," would not a God all justice be a God unmerciful?
33. Is there any such thing in God as unjust mercy, or unmerciful justice?
34. Is there any such thing in God as just cruelty, or merciful injustice?
35. If you had sufficient power would you not deliver all men from sin?
36. Are you more merciful than the God Who made you?
37. 'Can a woman forget her sucking child?'
38. Is the Creator of human sympathy less benevolent than the creature?
39. If God WOULD save all men, but CANNOT, is He infinite in power?
40. If God CAN save all men, but WILL NOT, is He infinite in goodness?
41. Does God DESIRE the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:3-4)
42. As God is righteous, must not the desire for universal salvation be a RIGHTEOUS desire?
43. Is it true, that "the desire of the righteous shall be granted?" -- (Prov. 10:24)
44. Did God design universal salvation when He created man?
45. Will God carry His original design into execution?
46. Can finite man frustrate the purposes of the Almighty?
47. Is every individual under obligation to be thankful for his existence?
48. Will this obligation eternally continue?
49. Can any one be thankful for that which, on the whole, is not a blessing?
50. If any one be rendered endlessly miserable, will he be still under obligation to thank God for existence?
51. Would endless misery benefit the Almighty, as the INFLICTOR?
52. Would endless misery benefit the saints, as SPECTATORS?
53. Would endless misery benefit the sinner, as the SUFFERER?
54. If endless punishment be the "wages of sin," could the sinner ever receive payment in full? (Rom. 6:23)
55. As man is a finite being, can he commit an infinite sin?
56. If man cannot commit an infinite sin, can he deserve endless punishment?
57. If one sin be infinite, can a million be any more?
58. If ONE sin be NOT infinite, can a million of sins amount to an infinite sin?
59. If sin be infinite, can one sin be greater than the other?
60. If sin be infinite, can it be true that, "where sin abounded grace did MUCH MORE abound?" --(Rom. 5:20)
61. If sin be infinite, can it ever be finished or brought to an end?
62. If ONE sin deserves an eternity of punishment, how much punishment will TEN sins deserve?
63. Do you ardently DESIRE the salvation of all men?
64. Is it true that God "openeth his hand and satisfieth the desire of every living thing?" -- (Ps. 145:16)
65. Do you fervently PRAY for the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:1)
66. Do you pray in FAITH, nothing doubting? (James 1:6)
67. Are you aware, "that whatsoever is not of faith is sin?" -- (Rom 14:23)
68. Would God require us to pray for all men, and to pray in faith, unless He intends all men should be saved?
69. If you believe endless misery to be the truth of God, why should you desire and pray that it may prove false?
70. Can the pleasure of the Almighty be contrary to his determinate will?
71. Would the infliction of endless misery afford pleasure to the Deity?
72. Can God be glorified by that which gives Him no pleasure?
73. As Jesus "tasted death for every man," can it be true that "the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hands," if a part are never saved? (Heb. 2:9)
74. If God "declares the end from the beginning," can the final destiny of mankind be contrary to His will?
75. Can endless misery be brought about contrary to the GOOD PLEASURE of the Almighty?
76. Can God WILL anything contrary to His knowledge?
77. Did God know when He created man, that a part of His creatures would be endlessly miserable?
78. If God, when He created, did not know the result of creation, is He infinite in knowledge?
79. Power is the ability to do: is knowledge simply the ability to know?
80. If God knew when He created man, that some would be eternally wretched, did He not will this to be their doom?
81. If God willed the endless misery of a part of His creatures, why is it said that "he will have all men to be saved?" -- (1 Tim. 2:4)
82. If the Scriptures should testify, that God "will have all men to be damned," could we safely infer that a part might be saved?
83. If the Scriptures testify, that God "will have all men to be saved," can we safely infer that a part may be damned?
84. If God made an endless hell before He created man, did He know there would be any use for it?
85. If God knew there would be use for an endless hell, must He not have created some men for endless misery?
86. If God made an endless hell, was it included in the works which He pronounced "very good?" -- (Gen. 1:31)
87. If there be an endless hell, and it was not made before the creation of men, when was it made?
88. If there be a personal devil, who made him?
89. Can there be any such thing as sin in heaven?
90. If there was sin in heaven, many not sin be committed there again?
91. If an angel of light became a devil, was not Paul in error, when he said Satan is transformed into an angel of light? -- (2 Cor 11:14)
92. As sin presupposes temptation of some sort, who tempted a holy angel to sin?
93. If an angel could sin without a devil to tempt him, may we not sin without a devil to tempt us?
94. If a holy angel was tempted to sin by surrounding evil, is heaven a holy place?
95. If an angel was tempted by evil passions, could he have been holy?
96. If an angel became a devil by sinning, was Adam's the original sin?
97. If Adam became mortal (that is, subject to death,) by sinning, must he not have been created immortal?
98. If Adam had been created immortal, could he ever have died?
99. If Adam sinned without inheriting total depravity, why should inborn depravity be assigned as the cause of our sins?
100. Would there be any more impropriety in imputing MY sins to Adam, than in imputing HIS sins to ME?
101. If men are totally depraved by nature, must not children be so likewise?
102. If children be totally depraved, is it true, that "of such is the kingdom of heaven?" -- (Mark 10:14)
103. Men are to be washed from their sins. If they are totally depraved, what is there to wash?
104. If evil men and seducers "wax worse and worse," (2 Tim. 3:13), can they be totally depraved at first?
105. If human reason be "carnal and delusive," why did Jehovah say, "come now and let us REASON together?" -- (Isa. 1:18)
106. If reason be delusive, why should some folks reason against the use of reason?
107. Can an effect exist without a cause sufficiently powerful to produce it?
108. If "we love God because he first loved us," is it true that we must first love HIM before He will love us?
109. If "we love God because he first loved us," is it not plain that He loved US when we did not love HIM?
110. If God loved US when we did not love HIM, is not our love to Him the EFFECT (and not the CAUSE) of His love to US?
111. Was it consistent with divine justice, to love us, when we did not love Him?
112. If God once loved us, will not that love eternally continue?
113. If the love of God is the cause which produces love in man, can anger and wrath produce the same effect?
114. Is it the revealed will of God that all men should be saved?
115. Can God will all men to be saved, knowing that a part will be forever lost?
116. If God has two wills, why is double-mindedness condemned in the Scriptures?
117. If God has two wills, why does the Bible say, "He is of one mind?"
118. If God has a secret will, how did you gain a knowledge of it?
119. Can that be a secret which has been revealed?
120. If God revealed His secret will to "the saints," why should they reveal it to "the wicked?"
121. If God under any circumstances, wills the endless misery of a human soul, in what does He differ from Satan?
122. Can Jesus Christ be the Savior of any more than He actually saves?
123. Can Jesus be "the Savior of the world," (1 John 4:14), if the world is not saved by him?
124. Is Christ, in any sense, the Savior of unbelievers?
125. If Christ be in no sense the Savior of unbelievers, why are unbelievers called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior?
126. If unbelievers are not called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior, what are they to believe?
127. Must not the thing to be believed, be true before it is believed?
128. Must not the thing to be believed continue to be true, whether it be believed or disbelieved?
129. "What if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith, [or faithfulness] of God of none effect?" -- (Rom. 3:3)
130. Is it true that "God hath concluded all in unbelief that he might have mercy on all?" -- (Rom 9:32)
131. Can God be "especially the Savior of them who believe," unless He be actually the Savior of all? -- (1 Tim. 4:10)
132. If belief and good works in this life, be essential to eternal salvation in the next, can infants be saved?
133. Can the good actions of finite man merit an infinite reward?
134. Can the evil actions of finite man merit infinite punishment?
135. If men are saved by works, is salvation of grace?
136. If one man is saved by grace, why should not all be saved in like manner?
137. Is God a partial being?
138. Can the faith of the Partialists be based in the wisdom that is "full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality?" -- (James 3:17)
139. Can sufficient provision be made for the salvation of all men, if some men are never saved?
140. Must not sufficient provision be sufficient to subdue the will of the creature?
141. Is there any other way to determine the sufficiency of the means employed, than by the accomplishment of the end designed?
142. Does not the law of God require all men to love him supremely, and their neighbors as themselves?
143. Is it true, that "not one jot or tittle of this law shall pass till all be fulfilled?" -- (Matt. 5:18)
144. Does not justice require of us the fulfilment of the law of God?
145. Will not justice be eternally violated, if the law of God be not universally fulfilled?
146. Can they fulfil the law of love who are rendered eternally miserable?
147. Can justice require the obedience of the sinner, and at the same time require his eternal disobedience?
148. If whoso "offereth praise glorifieth God," (Ps. 1:23), can He be glorified by those who have no cause to praise Him?
149. If any one be rendered eternally miserable, can he have any cause to praise His Maker?
150. Will God ever place some of his creatures in such a situation they cannot praise him?
151. Do you believe that endless punishment would manifest the glory of God?
152. Can you rejoice in the hope of the glory of God?
153. Would not the salvation of half of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-fourth?
154. Would not the salvation of nine-tenths of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-half?
155. Can we give "glory to God in the highest," without believing in the salvation of all men?
156. If "all have sinned, and (thus) come short of the glory of God," (Rom. 3:23), would eternal sinning mend the matter?
157. Shall "every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father?" -- (Philippians 2:11)
158. Is endless misery "good tidings of great joy which shall be to all people?"
159. Could man be endlessly miserable without being endlessly a sinner?
160. If sin exist eternally, can it be true that Christ was to finish the transgression, and to make and end of sin? -- (Dan. 9:34)
161. As Jesus gave himself a ransom for all men, can he ever "see the travail of his soul and be satisfied," if endless misery be true?
162. Do you hope that endless misery is true?
163. Is "faith the substance (or foundation) of things hoped for?" -- (Heb. 11:1)
164. If endless misery be not a thing hoped for, can it be a part of the Christian faith?
165. Is it certain that one soul will be eternally lost?
166. Is it certain that one soul will be saved?
167. Is it certain that all will not be damned?
168. Is it certain that all will not be saved?
169. Can that be certain which is not decreed?
170. If it be certain that one soul will be saved, must there not be a decree concerning the salvation of a definite number?
171. If the number of the saved be definitely fixed, must not the number of the damned be equally definite?
172. If there be no certainty in relation to the final destiny of man, is not salvation a work of chance?
173. What better is chance than Atheism?
174. If God knew, when he created, what the end of each soul would be, is not that end as certain as if it was decreed?
175. Is not the merciful man always merciful to his beast?
176. Will not the merciful God be always as merciful to His creatures, as the merciful man is to his beast?
177. Is it true that the "tender mercies of the Lord are over all his works?" -- (Ps. 145:9)
178. Is it true that the Almighty is without variableness, or the shadow of turning?
179. Would there be any tender mercy in the infliction of endless misery?
180. Are the tender mercies of the Lord like unto the tender mercies of the wicked which are cruel?
181. If God is not the Father of sinners, why should sinners pray, saying, "Our Father, forgive us our trespasses?"
182. "Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?" -- (Mal. 2:10)
183. If God be the Father of all men, will He do less for His children than earthly parents would do for theirs?
184. Is it true that God punishes us "for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness?" -- (Heb. 12:11)
185. Would endless punishment be for our profit?
186. Would endless punishment "yield the peaceable fruits of righteousness unto them who are exercised thereby?"
187. Is there an afterward to eternity? -- (Heb. 7:14)
188. Can any doctrine be too good to be true?
189. Will God contend forever and be always wroth? -- (Isa. 62:16)
190. Will the Lord cast off forever? -- (Lam. 3:31-33)
191. Can he be a Christian who worships the Lord through fear of the devil?
192. Can he be a Christian who affirms that if he believed in the salvation of all men, he would not worship God?
193. Can he be a Christian who inquires, "if all men are to be saved, what use is there in being virtuous?"
194. Some persons say, that if they did not believe in endless punishment, they would take their fill of sin. How much sin would it take to fill a Christian?
195. If "the goodness of God leadeth to repentance," why should His eternal wrath be preached to sinners?
196. If "the goodness of God leadeth to repentance," why should it not be supposed that repentance leadeth to the goodness of God?
197. If "the goodness of God leadeth to repentance," are not the impenitent the objects of His goodness?
198. Is not the goodness of God co-extensive and co-eternal with His wisdom and power?
199. As the wisdom of God can never change to folly, nor His power to weakness, will His goodness ever change to hatred?
200. Can Deity be universally and eternally good, if endless misery be true for a single soul?
201. If all men deserve endless punishment, would it not be right for God to inflict it?
202. "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
203. If it would be right for God to punish all men eternally, would it not be wrong for Him hot to do it?
204. As the infliction of endless misery would be returning evil for evil, would it be right for Deity to inflict it?
205. If the return of evil for evil be right in Deity, would it not be equally right in man?
206. As "fear hath torment," and true religion is happiness, can fear produce true religion?
207. As "perfect love casteth out fear," will not fear cast out perfect love?
208. Can fear imbue the soul with perfect love?
209. Must not they who "believe and tremble," be possessed of the faith of devils?
210. Does the belief of endless misery cause the believer to "rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory?" -- (1 Pet. 1:8)
211. Can a belief of any thing short of universal salvation, fill the soul with "joy and peace?"
212. Will not the devil and all his works be destroyed? -- (Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8)
213. Will not death, the last enemy, be swallowed up in victory and destroyed? -- (Isa. 25:6-8; 1 Cor. 15:26-54)
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