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Jeremiah White’s, The Restoration of All things (1712)

Link: mercyuponall.org/wp-content/ … things.pdf

Jeremiah White (1629–1707), was a 17th-century Nonconformist minister and Puritan chaplain to Oliver Cromwell. White defended the doctrines of predestination, election and rebrobation, but these were understood in such a way, that the sanctification and salvation of the elect will be to the benefit of the reprobate, leading to the final happiness of all human beings.

Additional Text Archive: mercyuponall.org/pdfs-click-to-download/

I’m reading “The False Prophet” and “Islam in the End Times” by Ellis Skolfield. He has the Historicist/Ammilneum view of Revelation and he connects events in Daniel to The Dome of the Rock and to Israel 1948 & 1967 by mathematical calculations. IMO these calculations of a dozen prophecies are pretty precise and impressive and he goes into the background of each of these. He feels we are at the end of this age and in the little season at the end of the milleneum where Satan has been released. You can see him on YouTube or download his info at Beholdthebeast.com or at Fish House Publishing.

Accepted in the Father’s Love by Mathew Simon

Universalist book with a full-preterist perspective.

Re reading Neil Peart’s ‘Ghost Rider.’ Story of a man on top of the world who lost his 19 year old daughter and his wife within the same year… To different circumstances. Very moving. Though it does seem redundant in some ways, it also shows me how I may be redundant if I went through the same thing. The fragile nature of life and existence and reality…

Good book.

Along those lines, I just finished ‘Descent’ by Tim Johnston. An excellent novel. Many religious themes throughout. In the style of Cormac McCarthy.

Ahh. Will have to look into that. The fragile nature of life and existence and reality! :laughing:

Thanks Bro. Are you doing well? :smiley:

As well as can be in Mesa Az visiting in-laws! Actually a nice vacation.

Gosh the weather must be much better than where I am at… Sunshine? :laughing:

Yep!

Just have fun my friend. Enjoy. We will talk soon. Tell me of any exotic foods :laughing:

Love ya and safety,

Chad

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This book is a well written attempt to convince the easily impressed to swallow the false teaching of Full Preterism (which is much like Pantelism), like the Watchtower magazine easily impresses so many:

amazon.com/Christian-Hope-t … 0615705901

I have the 3rd edition of June 2016. On p.234 it states re Acts 1:11:

“The disciples did not really see Jesus go into heaven”.

After quoting the verse on p.233:

“This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as [hos tropos] you saw Him go into heaven”.

To counter that book is another titled:

“When Shall These Things Be? A Reformed Response To Hyper-Preterism”, ed. Keith A Mathison, c 2004, 376 pages.

“…this book is a good starting point for people who are finding themselves tempted by the quasi-Gnostic, neo-Hymenaean, anti-authoritarian, hyper-spiritualizing, history-ignoring gangrene which is hyperpreterism and all of its attendant bleak outlooks on the (lack of) this world’s redemptive future.”

amazon.com/When-Shall-These … 0875525520

“Pantelism, however, is a teaching - growing in evangelical circles today - that can be called nothing other than heresy, and the ramifications of this teaching are not only dangerous for individuals but destructive to the Church of Jesus Christ.”

The End of All Things: A Defense of the Future, C. Jonathin Seraiah, 1999, p.15

amazon.com/End-All-Things-D … 1885767536

“Beyond Retribution…” by Christopher D. Marshall

“Many people view God as an immovable Judge administering inflexible justice. Worse still, the form of justice that most people talk about is a specific form of justice: Retributive Justice. Marshall has done us a huge favour by pointing out to us that biblical justice is far “beyond retribution”.”

“Marshall, through his scholarly and biblical approach, opens my mind to understand, for the first time, how Paul and Jesus, being Jews, would view justice in the Hebrew and Old Testament tradition. He notes that biblical justice is “shalom-justice” (p. 45) and not the narrowly interpreted retributive justice of the western world which, in turn, is based heavily on Greco-Roman, not biblical, traditions.”

“…Quite how to reconcile the seemingly vindictive and violent texts of the Old Testament with the more restorative and loving texts of the New Testaments is a worrying problem to many Christians.”

“In this book, Prof. Marshall not only sets out to establish the uniformity of the restorative message across the entire biblical texts but also highlight how the traditional sense of justice and punishment as functioning in a purely retributive sense is problematic not just for Biblical interpretations, but also in the practical application of law and justice.”

Free preview:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=hHmi8SoZ_9MC&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=Christopher+D.+Marshall++realities+in+question+pertain+to+the+future+age”&source=bl&ots=dHoYw-muXa&sig=XiQugCFdQ_3QV_QN1iwz_A_hXFk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-_tDO7r3bAhWIrVQKHclcDn8Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Christopher%20D.%20Marshall%20%20realities%20in%20question%20pertain%20to%20the%20future%20age”&f=false

Origen

Mar 23
“Pantelism, however, is a teaching - growing in evangelical circles today - that can be called nothing other than heresy, and the ramifications of this teaching are not only dangerous for individuals but destructive to the Church of Jesus Christ.”

Yes it is growing because it is a useful understanding of what Christ did and has done for humanity. You seem to be oblivious to Gods Works…

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[JRP’s Ad/mod note: I’m leaving this reply since it’s directed at the particular quote from the book which Origen was linking to – insult for insult, the end. All subsequent discussion should be carried over to an appropriate thread, and I’ve given time for the discussers to do so. With their permission I have deleted subsequent debate posts on this and related topics.]

Yep DP is really good when it comes to the prêterist rationale, BUT yeah, has never liked the inclusive soteriological “implications” of the same… something I wrangled with many prêterists in former times when I first ran with the “pantelism” moniker to explain the fusion of BOTH fulfilled eschatology AND soteriology.

The term pantelism when used by either anti or non-full prêterists typically just refers to full prêterism BUT in full prêterist circles it is viewed (inadequately I might say) as universalist prêterism.

!!! [JRP ad/mod edit: since this is in direct commentary on a position described by Qaz in his post on what he’s reading, I’m letting it stand (in fact un-deleted) as on topic. DEBATE AND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC should go to a proper thread, not here.]

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And to keep it on topic, I recommend “All Over But The Shouting” by Rick Bragg. Really good memoir! A look at the southern way of life and a broken family and love and dealing with life in ways we do not expect. Highly recommended. Bought it at a yard sale. :smile:

“Knowledge and Human Interests” by Jurgen Habermas. At this point in the book he is explaining Hegel’s critique of Kant’s critique of pure knowledge (i.e., a priori knowledge and the possibility of synthetic a priori knowledge).
The book is a bit dated now and somewhat out of fashion, but well worth the efforts to understand the problems involved in a phenomenological approach.

You asked! :slight_smile:

WOW :telephone_receiver: I would need help with that one. :grinning:

If a person has a real interest in the subject, it’s not too difficult. Kind of a guilty pleasure for me.