I’m pretty sure this is the sort of thing Roofus is complaining about. Which is not the same thing that Sherm (and others) are complaining about. Which Roofus agrees with them in complaining about, as they agree with him in complaining about this–but for some reason Roofus wants them to be not complaining about this and complaining about what they agree with him on instead.
sigh.
So for example:
http://www.wargamer.com/forums/upfiles/smiley/picard-facepalm.jpg
He was talking about Jesus leading sinners into repentance from their sins so as to make His disciples of them (instead of being rebels against Him). How is this in any way a denial that discipleship is optional to be saved??!
But of course, you weren’t replying to (or even accounting in) those portions, Roofus. You were only looking at the other parts:
But this is only to say what no Calv or (thoughtful) Arm would ever deny: namely that God (including in and as Jesus) doesn’t wait for us to repent before acting to reconcile us to Himself, or even before accepting us despite our sins. We don’t earn God’s salvation. We don’t convince God to desire a relationship with us by saving ourselves from our sins.
Loving the sinner but hating the sin. Loving the sinner involves accepting people “as they are” even though they’re sinners. Hating the sin involves recognizing they’re sinning and leading them out of that.
That’s what Sherman is talking about. He isn’t talking about, much less advocating, what you’re complaining about, namely ignoring the sin and not calling people to repent of it. He and other people here (not only you) are concerned about being careful not to get involved in a congregation of that sort.